23-06-2005 02:29									#1
	Freedom FROM religion. Suffering from ads?

I hold the belief that freedom FROM religion is just as important as the other side of the coin -- freeom OF religion. This is the latest news update about the Air Force Academy and the aggressiveness of some of the religious fundies within this institution.

Air Force Academy's struggle with religious freedom

	23-06-2005 02:40									#2
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Well they're in the right job to get close to God

	23-06-2005 02:42									#3
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What a lame joke -- and this is coming from ME, for christ's sake.

	23-06-2005 02:46									#4
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How can anyone want freedom from God, you monster!

I wonder what has attracted so many evangelicals to the air force? Maybe the Army is too gritty and the Navy too gay?

	23-06-2005 02:46									#5
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What else can you say though? You can argue with the biblebashers until you are blue in the face - they are brainwashed and that is the end of it. They are adamant they are correct despite evidence to the contrary. And their righteousness...that is another subject altogether.

We know where reason gets with them...nowhere...

	23-06-2005 02:48									#6
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Well, I hope that the publicity of this issue compels the higher-ups to take serious corrective action.

	23-06-2005 02:49									#7
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Why?

Liberals could not really care enough about people in the Military to mount much of a campaign. Religious conservatives will applaud this, and the general public won't care.

	23-06-2005 02:51									#8
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Why? Liberals could not really care enough about people in the Military to mount much of a campaign. Religious conservatives will applaud this, and the general public won't care.

And you think the general public would be indifferent with such a fundamental issue as freedom of religion, because . . . . . .?



For the record, I'm a liberal and I care about issues concerning freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

	23-06-2005 02:55									#9
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Yes, I think the general public will be indifferent because memmebsr are not forced to be evangelicals, just strongly pressured. People can then assume they can always say no, and no harm will come.

If actual proof, as oposed to allegations, of people being denied promotions or such for thier non-evangelical beliefs came out, then maybe, just maybe, but barely.

	23-06-2005 03:20									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison What else can you say though? You can argue with the biblebashers until you are blue in the face - they are brainwashed and that is the end of it. They are adamant they are correct despite evidence to the contrary. And their righteousness...that is another subject altogether. We know where reason gets with them...nowhere...

nice to see you keeping an open mind

	23-06-2005 03:24									#11
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I don't care if someone has religious beliefs and are part of the deffence unless if they have some kind descision right or control of wmd's. If they have that , then they should be treated at the same level as potential supporters of communism or "extreme right wing".

Just as religion doesn't have any place in public schools, it doesn't have any place in the army/navy/airforce.

	23-06-2005 03:38									#12
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney nice to see you keeping an open mind

Open your mind to that codswallop and they'll brainwash you!

	23-06-2005 04:12									#13
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I hold the belief that freedom FROM religion is just as important as the other side of the coin -- freeom OF religion. This is the latest news update about the Air Force Academy and the aggressiveness of some of the religious fundies within this institution. Air Force Academy's struggle with religious freedom

Bombing heathens for God? What's wrong with that?

	23-06-2005 04:14									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun And you think the general public would be indifferent with such a fundamental issue as freedom of religion, because . . . . . .?

That's the historical trend.

quote: For the record, I'm a liberal and I care about issues concerning freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

And you're what most Amurkins will consider a Godless commie wacko when you talk about "freedom from religion" - can't you just see the wailing and gnashing of teeth?

	23-06-2005 04:57									#15
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Yes, I can visualize a Christian fundie foaming at the mouth with my statements.

	23-06-2005 05:07									#16
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I wonder what has attracted so many evangelicals to the air force?

It's not so much the who as the where. Colorado Springs is a major center of Evangelical Christianisty, so it's not surprising that everything in the area is going to get infected.