23-06-2005 22:31									#1
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OK here's my problem. We're having an unseasonally hot summer here in Blighty (32°C in the E. of England this week) and my PC is refusing to run any version of civ without overheating and shutting down. I guess old programs like civ are processor-hungry causing melt-down with the already toasty P4 chip in my computer.

I have opened up the case, replaced the processor fan and heatsink with a fancy-pants copper affair and I have a domestic fan blowing full-blast into the computer's guts. Still no joy

I have installed 'Motherboard monitor' and it is recording the following temperatures: 'Winbond 1 - 38°C, 'Winbond 1 - 91°C and Winbond 3 - 49°C. Does anyone know what this winbond nonsense means? Are they HD temp, processor temp and A.N.Other temp? Are these temperatures excessively hot for a P4 3.2 GHz (I'm guessing the 91°C temp is way too high)?

Can anyone suggest a solution other than installing AC in my house? Please help - I need my civ fix

	23-06-2005 22:37									#2
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A/C Window unit, $100 USD. It'll keep you and the computer cool. A/C units run at about 98% efficiency nowadays so your utility bill won't be affected to much.

Much easier than all this monitoring mumbo jumbo.

	24-06-2005 00:26									#3
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I have my computer running with the side panel off and a regular fan blowing air into the side of it, keeps my cpu running at 34°C,

	24-06-2005 01:09									#4
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I definitely agree with HT on this one Gareth, its one of those instances where the simplest solution is indeed the correct one. A cooler room will make for a cooler P4 processor, heck I remember in my old job we had a window unit mounted in each and every office running full blast in the summer for just that very reason.

	24-06-2005 01:14									#5
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quote: [SIZE=1] (I'm guessing the 91°C temp is way too high)?

a couple more degrees and you could fry an egg on your processor

	24-06-2005 01:20									#6
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If you're willing to pay the cost, I can ship dry ice from our lab. Btw, I moonlight as a promotions manager for for Snapple ( http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...psicle_disaster ).

Isn't 55°C about the temp for washing dishes? Occasionally our clean water supply spurts forth at 80°C. Makes the container to hot to handle.

Can your home power handle both the AC and a PC? My AC triggers a brownout when it kicks on during heat emergencies. Had to get a new UPS for the PC.

	24-06-2005 01:51									#7
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My buddy had the same trouble and said that making sure the PC is not
tucked in a corner and that cool air is circulating through the system helps a lot.

Directed AC cooling may be a good idea. Perhaps hitting the local Argos or Index
to see what house hold power fans they have in stock might be in order?

Here in normally cold, dismal Scotland, the summer is also sweaty and horrid.

Oddly, my system is not showing any adverse effects.
Must be the only well-behaved computer I ever bought...

	24-06-2005 02:24									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Boco If you're willing to pay the cost, I can ship dry ice from our lab. Btw, I moonlight as a promotions manager for for Snapple ( http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...psicle_disaster ). Isn't 55°C about the temp for washing dishes? Occasionally our clean water supply spurts forth at 80°C. Makes the container to hot to handle. Can your home power handle both the AC and a PC? My AC triggers a brownout when it kicks on during heat emergencies. Had to get a new UPS for the PC.

That was one hell of an ice pop!

Window-mounted AC as suggested by Harry is probably too tricky - I have one of those modern homes with tiny double-glazed UPVC windows. The memsahib would complain about the cost too!

You've given me an idea though Boco; I'll pipe up my water supply to the PC - should save me a fortune in hot water

	24-06-2005 02:29									#9
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling My buddy had the same trouble and said that making sure the PC is not tucked in a corner and that cool air is circulating through the system helps a lot. Directed AC cooling may be a good idea. Perhaps hitting the local Argos or Index to see what house hold power fans they have in stock might be in order? Here in normally cold, dismal Scotland, the summer is also sweaty and horrid. Oddly, my system is not showing any adverse effects. Must be the only well-behaved computer I ever bought...

I thought the weather was shitty up north this week C.? A mate in Dundee was complaining about the rain. Maybe it was hot rain

My PC has the side of the case off with an Argos fan blowing into it, and it's still f-hot

	24-06-2005 02:29									#10
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Perhaps there is some software that can regulate the actions of the CPU?

Maybe force it to run at a lower level?

Acelogix do a good program called tweak n' tune.

I can email it to you, if thou wishes!

I use it to refigure my PC's workings, it may help take some pressure off of your cooking chips!

	24-06-2005 02:31									#11
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Yes please!

	24-06-2005 02:33									#12
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Incoming!

Also, it might be worth looking around the net for free software that deals with CPU control.

I am sure there must be something to let the hardware run at a less stressful rate...

	24-06-2005 06:09									#13
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it's going up to 35°C. this week, and with the humidity it will feel like 41°C , i think i am going to try and find a used refrigerator to store my computer in,

	24-06-2005 06:49									#14
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Maybe a frozen bag of peas stuffed into the PC case will work!

	24-06-2005 09:11									#15
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I'd worry about water damage from condensation

	24-06-2005 09:58									#16
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You'd never know, I had a mate who once custom built a case out of acrylic, placed a second, larger case around it, and packed the in between with bags of ice cubes.

	24-06-2005 10:10									#17
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2 case mods for summer weather
one guy i heard about decided to take out 2 biurds with one stone, he wanted a liquid cooling system for his tank, and he needed a new heater for his tropical fish tank, so he rigged up the tubing and a pump so that the water from the fish tank went through his computer, which heated up the water for the fish tank,

the other is building a case out of a minifridge,

	24-06-2005 10:34									#18
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How does PaintShop Pro run?

	24-06-2005 14:25									#19
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Cheeky!

	24-06-2005 15:07									#20
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quote: Originally posted by fairline OK here's my problem. We're having an unseasonally hot summer here in Blighty (32°C in the E. of England this week) and my PC is refusing to run any version of civ without overheating and shutting down. I guess old programs like civ are processor-hungry causing melt-down with the already toasty P4 chip in my computer.

As the resident Australian you'd think that I'd know how to fix overheating computers but, honestly, I've never heard of it being a problem (unless you've over-clocked your PC). Perhaps computers mass produced in Malaysia and Taiwan are customised for their desination countries? While all my computers until the current one were rubbish, they all survived years of Canberra's freezing winters and baking summers (though the one I had at the time of the 2003 bushfire was never the same - having a major environmental disaster a few hundred metres away from ones home is a little hard on the electronics. And the paint work.).

Anyway, seeing as my computer is happy until the tempreture in the house hits about 40°C (when it becomes only a little unstable - which is more than can be said for me at that kind of tempreture) I think that there may be something wrong with your computer that no amount of cooling can fix. How old is it?

quote: Can anyone suggest a solution other than installing AC in my house? Please help - I need my civ fix

This is kinda obvious, but move the computer to the coolest room in the house and see if things improve. If that disrupts your internet arrangements then invest in some cabling and masking tape [to stick the cables to the gound/wall so you don't trip over them]. Raising the CPU off the ground couldn't hurt either.

Alternetely, you can either buy a built-tough-for-Australian-conditions PC or just wait a couple of weeks for your summer to end.

	24-06-2005 15:19									#21
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This Kiwi may be able to help: www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/

	24-06-2005 16:34									#22
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Umm...you do have back ups of your important stuff, right?


Case. You want Fairline arrested for making a IED?

N.B. From Case's link

quote: In my opinion I do not recommend using this technology for cooling overclocked AMD processors. Saying this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I work for another processor maker who I probably shouldn't mention but who want me to say you should all buy P4s.

	24-06-2005 18:35									#23
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Well, I have an old Cel466. those are not as prone to overheating. Modern P4's and AMD's consume a lot of power so you need to have a a high quality fan installed. They are much more likely to overheat during a hot summerday.

You could try and install a watercooling rig in your PC.

	24-06-2005 19:07									#24
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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK You could try and install a watercooling rig in your PC.

Or you could buy a watercooled PowerMac G5

	24-06-2005 20:54									#25
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i have an amd xp2200, but my radeon 9800 overheats more than my cpu does,

	24-06-2005 22:12									#26
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh How does PaintShop Pro run?

Far quicker than its owner Another plane is on its way...

quote: Originally posted by Case This is kinda obvious, but move the computer to the coolest room in the house and see if things improve.

That'd be the downstairs toilet. I'd best not

I've stuck my PC on the middle of the desk in my study with a good flow of air and the side of the case off. I think the thing must be malfunctioning - its not overclocked BTW, but has always run as hot as a hot thing on a very hot day.

quote: .....just wait a couple of weeks for your summer to end.

That's a good point. Wimbledon is on so freezing rain can't be far off. Mind you this global warming seems to be taking it's toll; who'd have thought it would be hot in Summer in Britain?

quote: This Kiwi may be able to help: www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/

I just love the disclaimer at the top of that link....

Everyone knows proper beer is warm anyway

quote: Umm...you do have back ups of your important stuff, right?

I've learnt my lesson and I now own an external USB hard drive. Mind you, that thing gets hotter than hell when its running

quote: Originally posted by CapTVK You could try and install a watercooling rig in your PC

I could? Do they exist? Maybe I could put beer in it to make a warm English beer heater

	25-06-2005 04:32									#27
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quote: Originally posted by fairline Maybe I could put beer in it to make a warm English beer heater