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I'm in the process of slowly upgrading my computer to be relatively modern but without spending big bucks on it. Right now I'm looking at video cards.

Currently I have an old GeForce4 MX 420 w/ 64MB of onboard RAM. Its OK, but doesn't help me much with any of the newer games. At a local shop I found a GeForce FX 5500 based card with 256MB of onboard RAM, featured here:

http://www.everbest.on.ca/ver2/showProduct.php?id=1005

Its $99 CAD, which seems like a pretty good deal to me... especially with 256MB included, although I must admit I'm not too informed on these things.

My question is, is this a good deal and will I notice any significant different in performance compared to what I have now? Also, its AGP... does that have any benefits or drawbacks comapred to PCI? All I want is for newer games (like Half Life 2) to run better, I don't need any fancy extra features.

Oh, and in case it makes a difference, here's my current system specs:

Pentium 4 1.7Ghz
768MB PC2100 DDR RAM
PNY GeForce4 MX 420 64MB

So, is it worth going for this card or should I wait for better cards to get cheaper?

Thanks in advance for the advice, guys.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't do it.

BAD!

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And here's the manufacturer's website with more information:

http://usa.aopen.com/products/vga/A...5500-DVD256.htm

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't do it.

BAD!


Why?

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It's a very bad/slow/"quirky" family of Nvidia cards that most people want to forget about.

5xxx series is terrible.

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That was a pretty quick response I have to say though.

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It's a very bad/slow/"quirky" family of Nvidia cards that most people want to forget about.

5xxx series is terrible.


Is that why its so cheap?

Or a better question: even if it sucks, would I get better performance from what I had before?

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Yes, better performance.

But there are better buys...

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Got spare money?

Well, I'm glad you let me know... damn, that was really quick.

How about this card then? Same price, $99:

http://www.leadtek.com/3d_graphic/w...tctdh256_1.html

It supposedly uses NVIDIA® IntellisampleT 3.0 technology - whatever the hell that is.

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It uses PCI-E instead of AGP so that is good. Don't know much beyond that though.

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It uses PCI-E instead of AGP do that is good. Don't know much beyond that though.


Do all newer motherboards support PCI-E... thats what I was wondering when I read it.

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Do you want an ATI 9550 with 256 MB ddr? I'll sell you mine for about 120$ cdn. It's almost new. Its worth about 200 $ before taxes. Still under waranty.

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Do you want an ATI 9550 with 256 MB ddr? I'll sell you mine for about 120$ cdn. It's almost new. Still under waranty.


Thanks for the offer, but I think I'd rather buy it new from the store.

But guys, on this page:

http://www.everbest.on.ca/ver2/show...ts.php?idcat=22

Which card would give me the best performance for $120 or under?

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And how much of a difference does the onboard memory actually make? In other words, would 256 on a crappy card perform worse than 128 on a good one?

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Depends on the situation.

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Depends on the situation.


How about with Half Life 2 as a point of reference (since I own it)?

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How about with Half Life 2 as a point of reference (since I own it)?

Given your budget and the site, your two best choices are the Radeon X300-SE and the Leadtek PX6200.

Amazingly, I found a comparison benchmark in HL2 for them both:
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=796&pageID=1542



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By the way, both of those cards use system memory as well as video card memory.

They either come with 64-128MB on-board, then the other memory comes from your system RAM. There's a significant performance hit for this, but that's why those are cheap.

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Isn't the Radeon X300-SE PCI-express? Given that Jimmy has an older system, he probably doesn't even have a PCI-express mobo.

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Good call, hell if I know. The low-end is so boring.

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Looks like both are PCI-Express. Oh well.

He needs AGP if he's upgrading a GF4.

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By the way, both of those cards use system memory as well as video card memory.

They either come with 64-128MB on-board, then the other memory comes from your system RAM. There's a significant performance hit for this, but that's why those are cheap.


Wow, I had no idea about this. I guess thats OK though since I just upgraded my RAM. But still, I'm confuzled.





The Radeon claims to have 128MB, and the Leadtek 256MB... so why would the 128 perform that much better, or better at all for that matter? Is the ATI technology that much superior?

So, what would be your (or anyone else's) pick for the best deal between these two or any other ones? I'd be willing to spend a bit more for a card thats far superior to the other cheaper ones, but probably not more than $150.

Like, for example, this one:

http://www.everbest.on.ca/ver2/showProduct.php?id=891

Would the extra $35 make that much of a performance difference to justify it over the $99 models?

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You need to find an AGP card though.

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Looks like both are PCI-Express. Oh well.

He needs AGP if he's upgrading a GF4.


I'm not sure if I can support it... this is my Mobo:

http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=u8668

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You need to find an AGP card though.


Are you sure? My current card is PCI...

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PCI and PCI-express are not the same thing. What you need is an AGP card, like the Radeon 9550

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Are you sure? My current card is PCI...

Yes, that doesn't have PCI-Express.

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PCI and PCI-express are not the same thing. What you need is an AGP card, like the Radeon 9550


Always the salesman...

But, yeah, thats what I thought... that sucks. Good thing you guys told me or I probably would have bought it.

How about among these two, which one is best for the price:

Sapphire RADEON 9550 AGP 128MB ($75)
http://www.everbest.on.ca/ver2/showProduct.php?id=774

or

Sapphire 9600PRO AGP 256MB ($135)
http://www.everbest.on.ca/ver2/showProduct.php?id=1030

Is the extra money worth it performance wise?

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And obviously I can assume the 9600 will perform better, but will it be negligible?

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Sapphire 9600PRO AGP 256MB for sure.

The 9550 AGP-se is crippled...

 
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