24-06-2005 09:28									#1
	How much traction is this really going to get Support Apolyton

quote: The Conservatives were quick to pounce on the Liberals. "Let's be clear, the Liberal party is now cutting deals with the separatists, to appease the socialists, to prop up their corrupt government," said Conservative Deputy leader Peter MacKay.

Funny, I didn't see you making any bones about the support the BQ was giving you when you were trying to topple the government.

What a maroon.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...ment050623.html

	24-06-2005 10:27									#2
	Remove this text

Where are you, NYE? I'm feeling feisty.

	24-06-2005 10:27									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Traction = skidmarks

	24-06-2005 10:28									#4
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Spammer

	24-06-2005 10:34									#5
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Where are you, NYE? I'm feeling feisty.

Right here.

	24-06-2005 10:38									#6
	Re: How much traction is this really going to get Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse quote: The Conservatives were quick to pounce on the Liberals. "Let's be clear, the Liberal party is now cutting deals with the separatists, to appease the socialists, to prop up their corrupt government," said Conservative Deputy leader Peter MacKay. Funny, I didn't see you making any bones about the support the BQ was giving you when you were trying to topple the government. What a maroon. http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...ment050623.html

Not much traction, I think, but then it isn't meant to get much.

It is meant to counter what Martin and his band of brigands have been saying about the Tories allying with the Bloc.

You should see a Liberal squirm when it's pointed out the Bloc and Liberals have agreed on quite a lot in this parliament.

	24-06-2005 10:41									#7
	Inflate your Upload Space

The Bloc and the Liberals are more ideologically similar wrt social and economic issues than the bloc and the CA...uhhh...conservatives are.

The Bloc has tried to bring down the government every chance they've gotten, so in their irrational hatred of the Liberals they're more similar to the conservatives.

Of course, now the the Conservatives are way back in 2nd in the polls where they belong they don't seem so eager. Surprise surprise, they were trying to manipulate an election during a blip in their support, because they can't win it honestly...

	24-06-2005 10:43									#8
	Suffering from ads?

I hope you like this Liberal minority government, because it's what we're going to have for at least the next couple of years...

	24-06-2005 10:44									#9
	Put an end to popups!

Now, hopefully we can add a couple of seats to the NDP total next time and we can get a really solid minority going...

	24-06-2005 10:45									#10
	Get a bigger avatar today!

We're going to nationalise the oil wells, boy. Hold onto your hat, 'cause it's going to be a wild ride...

	24-06-2005 10:48									#11
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Hehe.

You meant insane, not feisty, right?

	24-06-2005 10:50									#12
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse The Bloc and the Liberals are more ideologically similar wrt social and economic issues than the bloc and the CA...uhhh...conservatives are. The Bloc has tried to bring down the government every chance they've gotten, so in their irrational hatred of the Liberals they're more similar to the conservatives. Of course, now the the Conservatives are way back in 2nd in the polls where they belong they don't seem so eager. Surprise surprise, they were trying to manipulate an election during a blip in their support, because they can't win it honestly...

You haven't been around, so maybe you should be cut some slack, however...

The Liberals have made out that the Tories are tratitors to Confederation for wanting an election over Gomery, and for agreeing with the Bloc on that issue.

Really, it doesn't take a lot of rocket science to see what is going on here.

	24-06-2005 10:51									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

NEP PART DEUX

IT'S ON, BROTHER

	24-06-2005 10:53									#14
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither You haven't been around, so maybe you should be cut some slack, however... The Liberals have made out that the Tories are tratitors to Confederation for wanting an election over Gomery, and for agreeing with the Bloc on that issue. Really, it doesn't take a lot of rocket science to see what is going on here.

I know what's going on, man. Just pointing out that the Cons have been willing to bunk down with some strange bedfellows. At least the Grits have issues in common with the BQ, rather than simple political expediency...

	24-06-2005 10:53									#15
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

In your dreams, and those of a few seperatists.

	24-06-2005 10:54									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

The problem with the conservatives is that they're all by themselves on the right out there. The liberals are standing in between them and any sort of workable coalition. All the Tories can do is cooperate with others to tear down the Liberals. They can't govern as currently constituted...

	24-06-2005 10:54									#17
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I know what's going on, man. Just pointing out that the Cons have been willing to bunk down with some strange bedfellows. At least the Grits have issues in common with the BQ, rather than simple political expediency...

What sort of double-speak bullshit are you trying to pull?

The Bloc is fine when they agree with the Liberals and the NDP on social policy, but it is a disgrace when the Tories agree with them that we need a new government because the old one is too corrupt?

	24-06-2005 10:56									#18
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither In your dreams, and those of a few seperatists.

You know I'm kidding, right? I think it was a dumb idea back then, and it hasn't gotten any smarter since. If the yanks want to buy our oil at a fair market price I'm willing to ship it to them until they choke on it...

	24-06-2005 10:57									#19
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse The problem with the conservatives is that they're all by themselves on the right out there. The liberals are standing in between them and any sort of workable coalition. All the Tories can do is cooperate with others to tear down the Liberals. They can't govern as currently constituted...

We shall see.

Martin seems hell bent to drag the Liberals back left.

Don't blink, or you'll miss the end of the Chretein strangle-hold on the centre.

	24-06-2005 10:58									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse You know I'm kidding, right? I think it was a dumb idea back then, and it hasn't gotten any smarter since. If the yanks want to buy our oil at a fair market price I'm willing to ship it to them until they choke on it...

Of course, but I thought we were supposed to let lose a few Rawwrs.

	24-06-2005 10:58									#21
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither What sort of double-speak bullshit are you trying to pull? The Bloc is fine when they agree with the Liberals and the NDP on social policy, but it is a disgrace when the Tories agree with them that we need a new government because the old one is too corrupt?

What the hell are you on, here, NYE?

I'm pointing out that all the BQ can string together with Harper et al is negativism. They can't agree on a single issue beyond the fact that if the liberals lose seats then they gain them.

Bringing down the government when you don't have a viable alternative is rightly seen as the pettiest politicking there is...

	24-06-2005 10:59									#22
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Of course, but I thought we were supposed to let lose a few Rawwrs.

Just checking, son...

	24-06-2005 11:00									#23
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse What the hell are you on, here, NYE? I'm pointing out that all the BQ can string together with Harper et al is negativism. They can't agree on a single issue beyond the fact that if the liberals lose seats then they gain them. Bringing down the government when you don't have a viable alternative is rightly seen as the pettiest politicking there is...

I don't think it's petty to want to turf thieves from office.

	24-06-2005 11:01									#24
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither We shall see. Martin seems hell bent to drag the Liberals back left. Don't blink, or you'll miss the end of the Chretein strangle-hold on the centre.

Pffft. Chrétien was a leftist realpolitiking his way to the centre.

Martin's a centrist who needs to show people that there's a difference between him and Harper. He's got his eye firmly on the centre...

	24-06-2005 11:02									#25
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

And the Liberals are no alternative to the Tories, either.

It is under undisputed Liberal power that soverignty in Quebec has landed back on the national stage like an eight hundred pound gorilla who just found his long lost love.

	24-06-2005 11:03									#26
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I don't think it's petty to want to turf thieves from office.

The Liberals are like an old drunk: you can kick their ass out every night at 3, but the next afternoon they'll be right back in their stool.

The Conservatives need a new Mulroney to trick people into voting for them for a decade or so. Harper sure as hell ain't it...

	24-06-2005 11:04									#27
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by notyoueither And the Liberals are no alternative to the Tories, either. It is under undisputed Liberal power that soverignty in Quebec has landed back on the national stage like an eight hundred pound gorilla who just found his long lost love.

The Liberals were doing a pretty good job of keeping that particular bogeyman down. Unfortunately some thieves were busy doing a lot of damage to their overall good efforts...

	24-06-2005 11:05									#28
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Pffft. Chrétien was a leftist realpolitiking his way to the centre. Martin's a centrist who needs to show people that there's a difference between him and Harper. He's got his eye firmly on the centre...

Let's see how the next election goes, after Martin pulls Parliament's strings over the NDP budget and same sex marriage, and then stiffles Gomery.

Martin is crusading left and trying to bury the bodies faster than you can say middle of the road.

	24-06-2005 11:07									#29
	Got spare money?

He's got one body to bury, and he's got Chrétien's very warm body to blame it on.

Good thing they had that "falling out", huh?

The conspiracy part of me wonders if it was engineered...

	24-06-2005 11:10									#30
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse The Liberals were doing a pretty good job of keeping that particular bogeyman down. Unfortunately some thieves were busy doing a lot of damage to their overall good efforts...

Yeah, like Martin's freinds included.

Nobody in the Liberal party has any credibility on the issue.

People at ground zero are current advisors to cabinet ministers.

Martin's advertising buddies had contracts bumped up by Finance Ministry staff while Martin was the minister. Martin says he didn;t have lunch with the guy when there is hard evidence that he did.

The ship, she has no bottom, captain. The bottom has been shot out.

But you're right, the Tories can be no alternative to this level of corruption and sheer chutzpah. They would never be able to do it as well.