24-06-2005 21:01									#1
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The last turn was turn 66. We can start the wonder on turn 74, i.e. in 8 turns. The wonder would start by prebuilding granary (again), then switching to library. We would accumulate 60 shields before KBH would grow by itself to size 9 and we would add 2 more workers and create it size 11 with 20 shields per turn.

We would then need 22 more turns to complete the wonder, so in total 26 turns, but for 4 turns the wonder building would be concealed.


Temple of Artemis would never expire. There is no reason to research Education in this game because we would concentrate on military conquest. Temple of Artemis puts a temple in each city. The cultural impact would be tremendous and we would soon become the civilisation with highest culture. Moreover, all our cities would expand, so our territory would greatly increase and our cities would be far safer and easier to defend. Last but not least, one citizen in each city would become content without the need to pay maintenance for temples.

I think all of this justifies the investment in terms of 13 horses not produced and 2 workers added to KBH.

	24-06-2005 21:09									#2
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Onward we build

	24-06-2005 22:32									#3
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Another great plan. Temples will cure many ills.

	25-06-2005 01:56									#4
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Good idea

One shouldn't underestimate the military utilty of culture

	26-06-2005 15:00									#5
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Yes. Simple.

	27-06-2005 11:00									#6
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Why wait? Why not start prebuild right away?

	29-06-2005 13:21									#7
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Only 7 votes out of 16? We need more people voting and expressing their opinion.

	30-06-2005 11:36									#8
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Hopefully a newsletter will do the rounds in the coming days

	30-06-2005 12:48									#9
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"Build it and they will come"

	29-07-2005 12:41									#10
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we need to determine if we want this still

and if so when we start....

	30-07-2005 10:00									#11
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I originally voted no, since it seemed too long to put KBH out of commission (i.e. not building horses and riders). I would like to switch that vote to yes. We are on a pangea, thus every city (or nearly so) would have a temple. We just need to make absolutely certain that we never, EVER allow this wonder to go to obsolescence.

	30-07-2005 10:15									#12
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Ljube has a plan to do with us never needing Education tech

I do look forward to more detail on how that works

	01-08-2005 04:46									#13
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Yes. My estimate is that Bards will be completely destroyed in some 15-20 turns. Babylon will be obliterated in about 20-25, maybe 30 turns depending on AM determination. Lost Boys will disappear in about 40-50 turns due to their excellent defender and command of all strategic resources.


But 50 turns is not enough to research more than 2 techs at highest speed possible. Why would either of these techs be theology or education? We have other priorities like chivalry (keshik), engineering (bridges!!!), invention (Leo), gunpowder (muskets). Even chemistry, metallurgy and military tradition will take precedence to theology, provided the game takes that long to finish.


Therefore, Temple of Artemis will never expire and all our cities we build/capture will have a free temple and lots of culture.

	01-08-2005 08:23									#14
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thank you Ljube

any chance of a breakdown on how to build the Temple, when and when etc

	01-08-2005 23:54									#15
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Here we have three options:

1) Start wonder building after we switch to feudalism (works only with feudalism as we cannot switch to monarchy immediately). We would need to wait a couple of turns (6 turns at least) before we switch (we still need some money for our upgrades and at least one more settler to settle the area of U2 when bards abandon it and many more workers to mine hills). In the meantime mine hills around KBH. When mining is completed, KBH will produce 26 shields/turn. Temple of Artemis will then be finished in 20 turns.

2) Start wonder building now. Follow the procedure from the first post in this thread. Complete the Temple of Artemis in 26 turns.

3) Start wonder building in four turns (on turn 78). Add two workers to KBH and make it size 11, 20 shields/turn city. Temple of Artemis would then be completed in 25 turns. For the duration of this period we would have to stay in despotism, set lux to 20% (or trade lux with AM) and avoid researching chivalry.

	02-08-2005 03:00									#16
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Plan 2 looks good to me!

	02-08-2005 11:01									#17
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No Keshiks then? Is it worth it?

	02-08-2005 13:46									#18
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Absolutely. We wouldn't know what to do with keshiks if we had them now.

The problem is in our small cities and weak economy. We are unable to build expensive units. It would take 10 or more turns for every city save our capital to build keshik. However, if we wait the maximum 47 turns more for chivalry we will have enough horses and money to do a mass upgrade and use chivalry to the maximum effect.

And one more thing - we don't want to be first to chivalry lest other civs steal this result of our toil.

	16-08-2005 13:32									#19
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I am convinced. Now where do we do this?

	16-08-2005 14:01									#20
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Well, the latest plan is to research chivalry at top speed first, build Knights Templar a turn later, build a couple of keshiks in capital, switch to monarchy, trigger golden age and build Temple of Artemis in less than 15 turns due to our golden age.

	17-08-2005 13:32									#21
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Thank you General for this information I seem to have read that elsewhere, yet was not positive.