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aneeshm
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Indore , Madhya Pradesh
Jul 2001
time: 10:51
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Umm . . . . . That's because of processor restrictions ( the OGG format requires a certain minimum of processing power , which the iPods cannot provide in thir current state ) , which the iPod 4th gen is expected to overcome . At least in this instance , you didn't know that you were talking about , did you ?
Another thing is that the Linux hack allows you to record music at 96 khz ( CD quality is 44 khz ) , while you have to pay Apple for the privilege of recording something on an unhacked iPod at 8 khz .
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Atahualpa
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Hawthrone
Mar 1999
time: 06:21
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
You're wrong. Commercial products that use MP3 must pay royalties. |
Which I am fine with and I guess it's the same with all the other formats, except maybe OGG, but since OGG support is virtually non-existant, this is not even worth considering. Now I could campaign in favor of OGG, but this is a lost cause.
I had several friends who fell for the OGG hype, but when they got an mp3 player they had to recode all their music files back to mp3, because none they considered would support it.
What I hate about WMA is how MS tries to create a defacto industry standard with it and dethrone the consumer-friendly mp3. I hope mp3 support will not be kicked. The day a device that supports WMA, but not mp3 arrives is the day I fear and then it's only a matter of time that they kick out mp3 and kick in DRM and bamm everything becomes a pain in the ass. "Sorry you have listened to this song in your house, if you also want to listen in your car, you have to pay $1 extra or buy a house-car license for all your music for $1087"
"You are only allowed to listen to this song all 10 minutes"
"You are not allowed to copy the song to your second hard-drive"
"We prohibit you from playing this song with player XYZ"
As you can see of what would theoretically be possible with DRM: It does not GRANT you anything but only DENY. If they want me to buy that, they'd have to give me something. And the way I view this is that they will do this by creating applications tailored to DRM and without DRM you can do not so nice things than with songs that have DRM information. Of course this feels like a cheap artificial rip-off, but people will buy it anyway and so it will creep in. 
Unless of course people would stop using WMA and AAC and demand MP3... another lost cause to campaign for (even more because we know how much the Music Industry shows interests for their customers' desires)
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Atahualpa
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Hawthrone
Mar 1999
time: 06:21
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Originally posted by Agathon
Um... AAC is not owned by Apple. It is owned by the same people that own mp3 IIRC. I don't think that there's any difference in the licensing scheme for either, although I may well be wrong.
Microsoft is basically giving away WMA so that they can establish control over digital audio and then screw people while doing little or nothing to improve it (IE anyone?).
The only thing Apple owns is Fairplay: their DRM for the iTunes Music Store. Fairplay applies only to files that are purchased from the store. That is a lock-in.
Everything else is open to be used by whomever. You can buy an iPod and use other software if you don't like iTunes (there are heaps of alternatives). You can play pretty much what you like, as long as it does not use Microsoft's proprietary standards.
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It's irrelevant who invented AAC and even if it was Fraunhofer, it has the "DRM virus" in it.
And I don't care wether iTunes only applies DRM to music from the store... sure you need not use it, but like with anything optional but more convenient, it's a creepy thing and it keeps creeping in.
Unfortunately ofc, that makes it different to argument against it in public, since obviously it's the people's will, as they have other choices and possibilities, but use these instead. Still, probably a philosophical question, but when you count with the lazyness of people to bring them somewhere that you like them to be, is it really the people's will? Or is it more like a giant sheep herd and the die-hard sheeps either in the end have to "die" or follow.
But anyway, DRM cannot work and it will always be possible to break it somehow. It cannot work because of the simple reasons outlined by someone already: 1. You have to have the decryption key, 2. You have to have the decryption algorithm and 3. You have to obtain the plain text
You are the pirate and the consumer at the same time, what DRM is trying to do is protecing you from yourself. Thx!
Ofc, what it can do is make it a pain in the ass for everyone.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:21
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Originally posted by Atahualpa
It's irrelevant who invented AAC and even if it was Fraunhofer, it has the "DRM virus" in it.
And I don't care wether iTunes only applies DRM to music from the store... sure you need not use it, but like with anything optional but more convenient, it's a creepy thing and it keeps creeping in.
Unfortunately ofc, that makes it different to argument against it in public, since obviously it's the people's will, as they have other choices and possibilities, but use these instead. Still, probably a philosophical question, but when you count with the lazyness of people to bring them somewhere that you like them to be, is it really the people's will? Or is it more like a giant sheep herd and the die-hard sheeps either in the end have to "die" or follow.
But anyway, DRM cannot work and it will always be possible to break it somehow. It cannot work because of the simple reasons outlined by someone already: 1. You have to have the decryption key, 2. You have to have the decryption algorithm and 3. You have to obtain the plain text
You are the pirate and the consumer at the same time, what DRM is trying to do is protecing you from yourself. Thx!
Ofc, what it can do is make it a pain in the ass for everyone. |
If DRM can never work, what's the problem.
It'll work well enough to stop the casual users from pirating, and that's what it's for.
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