27-06-2005 18:25									#1
	My dad just bought an iPod Mini... Suffering from ads?

And returned it after he discovered he can't play his WMA files on it.

He's not the most computer-technical person, so he was at Costco and they had iPod Minis on the cheap. Decided he want an MP3 player for his walking, so he picked one up without thinking about the file formats.

He had already ripped his CDs onto the computer a long time ago, but he used Windows Media Player to do it with WMA. He wasn't going to re-rip them because Apple has some political issues.

Apple -- not giving a damn about the users since 1976.

	27-06-2005 18:28									#2
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2.5-10

	27-06-2005 18:34									#3
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Like father like son. Twin dumbasses in the sunset.

	27-06-2005 18:36									#4
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I agree he should've just got the Zen Micro.

	27-06-2005 18:42									#5
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he wouln't need to re-rip them, theres are plenty of free apps that do batch conversions

	27-06-2005 18:52									#6
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Transcoding is horrendously evil. I want to kill you on the spot.

	27-06-2005 19:07									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Transcoding is horrendously evil. I want to kill you on the spot.

I admit I'm a bit of a philistine where music is concerned, as long as it's loud I'm not too bothered.

	27-06-2005 19:12									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Asher And returned it after he discovered he can't play his WMA files on it. He's not the most computer-technical person, so he was at Costco and they had iPod Minis on the cheap. Decided he want an MP3 player for his walking, so he picked one up without thinking about the file formats. He had already ripped his CDs onto the computer a long time ago, but he used Windows Media Player to do it with WMA. He wasn't going to re-rip them because Apple has some political issues. Apple -- not giving a damn about the users since 1976.

So is this political bickering or not?

	27-06-2005 19:17									#9
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Yes, it was political bickering on Apple's behalf that is screwing the users in this case by locking them into Apple-only technologies.

It's not political bickering to be upset that you're not allowed to use the soundfiles you already have. That is a usability gripe.

	27-06-2005 20:34									#10
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I find it comforting that Apple exists to make the life of Asher and his family miserable.

What a big whiny baby he is.

	27-06-2005 21:34									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I find it comforting that Apple exists to make the life of Asher and his family miserable. What a big whiny baby he is.

Not really.

WMP is probably one of the easiest ways to rip CDs, especially for those who don't know much about computers. So not supporting WMA is clearly motivated by something other than practicality.

Oh, and my girlfriend just got a Zen Micro and its fantastic

	27-06-2005 21:58									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Yes, it was political bickering on Apple's behalf that is screwing the users in this case by locking them into Apple-only technologies. It's not political bickering to be upset that you're not allowed to use the soundfiles you already have. That is a usability gripe.

You are right, Apple is evil in that case and I think they should open the iPod up, to a.) different software to upload music (iTunes is teh useless bloatware) and b.) support more formats like WMA and OGG.
But on the other hand, they are the only ones who for example include a Firewire connector.

	27-06-2005 22:01									#13
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What a pathetic troll. The truth is that no corporation, Apple or not, will support Ogg. Why should we care about a proprietary format over the other?

	27-06-2005 22:14									#14
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I thought OGG was open?
iRiver supports OGG btw..

quote: Why should we care about a proprietary format over the other?

Whom do you mean with "we"?

	27-06-2005 23:06									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris What a pathetic troll. The truth is that no corporation, Apple or not, will support Ogg. Why should we care about a proprietary format over the other?

Ogg is open, not proprietary.

WMA is proprietary, but Apple already has a WMA decoding license (which is why you can transcode from WMA in iTunes), and the chip inside the iPods (by PortalPlayer) has WMA decoding abilities.

	27-06-2005 23:07									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa But on the other hand, they are the only ones who for example include a Firewire connector.

The new iPods are including USB 2.0 over Firewire...

	27-06-2005 23:13									#17
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WMA

Microsoft for defaulting to WMA when ripping

Apple for not supportin OGG

	27-06-2005 23:15									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris The truth is that no corporation, Apple or not, will support Ogg.

Laggard: http://eng.cowon.com/product/iAUDIOM3/about.html

	28-06-2005 00:18									#19
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I thought this was another of Asher's Apple-is-not-bad-afterall threads. But I now realize that I'll probably never see another one of those in my lifetime.

	28-06-2005 00:59									#20
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Not really. WMP is probably one of the easiest ways to rip CDs, especially for those who don't know much about computers. So not supporting WMA is clearly motivated by something other than practicality.

That has nothing to do with it. It's equally easy to rip to any format as long as the software has a button that says "rip". There's nothing intrinsically great about WMA or any other format on that front.

But someone should give Asher back his rattle before he has another tantrum.

	28-06-2005 01:15									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The new iPods are including USB 2.0 over Firewire...

Which new iPods? The ones (6GB) that are described on the Apple site are listed with both Firewire and USB 2.0

	28-06-2005 01:16									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon That has nothing to do with it. It's equally easy to rip to any format as long as the software has a button that says "rip". There's nothing intrinsically great about WMA or any other format on that front.

It doesn't matter, does it?

Why doesn't Apple support WMA?

Oh! I know! I know!

Because supporting WMA means opening up to a competitive market in the legal download world.

	28-06-2005 01:17									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa Which new iPods? The ones (6GB) that are described on the Apple site are listed with both Firewire and USB 2.0

iPod Shuffle.

	28-06-2005 01:29									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon That has nothing to do with it. It's equally easy to rip to any format as long as the software has a button that says "rip". There's nothing intrinsically great about WMA or any other format on that front.

This is not true, MP3 is the best format. It has the biggest industry support, still provides good quality at reasonable filesize and has no such thing as DRM. It's the perfect format!

Anything else is a limitation, either in music reproductors or in digital rights.

	28-06-2005 01:32									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Asher iPod Shuffle.

Come on.. nobody is going to buy that anyway

	28-06-2005 02:47									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa This is not true, MP3 is the best format. It has the biggest industry support, still provides good quality at reasonable filesize and has no such thing as DRM. It's the perfect format! Anything else is a limitation, either in music reproductors or in digital rights.

Small detail: it's not free.

	28-06-2005 02:50									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Ogg is open, not proprietary. WMA is proprietary, but Apple already has a WMA decoding license (which is why you can transcode from WMA in iTunes), and the chip inside the iPods (by PortalPlayer) has WMA decoding abilities.

That's what I meant. Any corporation, given the opportunity, would try to monopolize a market and impose DRM - just look at how many of them support Ogg. Why do you always seem to think that MS is right and Apple is in the wrong?

	28-06-2005 04:02									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris That's what I meant. Any corporation, given the opportunity, would try to monopolize a market and impose DRM - just look at how many of them support Ogg. Why do you always seem to think that MS is right and Apple is in the wrong?

Never said that.

My argument has nothing to do with DRM, and everything to do with Apple locking you into their music store and their music player by (a) not licensing their format to others, (b) not licensing other peoples' formats.

In this case, Microsoft is letting anyone at all license their format. Even if they compete with MSN Music (Microsoft's own store).

It's not a case that "MS is always right and Apple is always wrong", and to think that somebody such as yourself would try to make such an argument is pretty funny.

This isn't an intro to Philosophy class. That stuff works on Aggie and other beanies, but not meeeeeeeeee.

	28-06-2005 04:28									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Small detail: it's not free.

Sure sweetheart...

	28-06-2005 06:58									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa Come on.. nobody is going to buy that anyway

I did. Frankly it was a good buy. The sound pisses over every other digital audio player I've heard. I was astonished at how good it was.