12-01-2001 08:25									#1
	Yet another attempt at a diplogame :) Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Ok i have only been back slightly under a month and to my surprise i find the MP section full of two types of games...... simul turns and diplo games!

I post this thread in an attempt to land myself and my cousin (Mercantile) into a game. The two of us are agreeing to share a civ as we are both busy and not always available to play at the same time. In this sense we might actually have a realistic portrayal of different types of leaders throughout the whole game.

As many of you know.... i am a feisty warmonger and my cousin....... well hopefully he wont' undo the progress i make with his silly reforms is one of these perfectionists

Mercantile works a mix of days, nights and weekends, whereas i work only days. Therefore any nights where he works.... i would rule our civ with an iron hand. On those nights when women are more important to me than controlling the inferior peasants, Mercantile will preside. Either way...... one or both of us will always be present for the game once we establish a set time with the others.

If this sounds appealing to you then please message me on icq @30200920 and either Merc or myself will respond. Also responses in this thread are welcome and probably would allow for discussion of settings , maps, rules, modifications, etc.

Both of us are looking for a game where we can play to the end, with experienced ,deity , raging players, whom obviously wont' quit in a months time.

The only stipulation both of us have is that we get to be the mongols, for one of two reasons..... first that is the only tribe i play... second Merc bought that stupid hat and figures he needs to be an Asian culture in order to wear it

So ...... i hope to play either once of twice a week, depending on the others........ and this time would have to be after 5pm weekdays..... and not on Sundays until after 12 noon PST.

I hope to see some responses in the very near future so we can get this game under way. Cheers and good civing in the new year to everyone
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	12-01-2001 21:59									#2
	Got spare money?

Upon the dismantling of ultradip, I am now open to explore some new possibilities, and playing with a self-admitted war monger will be a refreshing change. I have heard a lot of things about you War4ever. And all of them are bad of course (which is the way you like it I'm sure). I would like to play as long as there is going to be some true diplomacy. I have no problem with a war monger in a diplo game as long as it's not a silent leader who just kills for no reason.
Know what I mean?

Don't hold the game up for me by any means, but I only can really invest one night a week, on a weekday. Either Wenesday or Thursday. Weekends I cannot commit to. AND, I'm on the east coast, so the earlier you guys start, the better too. As I said, if this doesn't conform to what you're after, let me know and I'll find something else ok?

Also- I don't really want to play on a world map. A custom made map, or random map is all I'm really interested in. Other rules I don't really care about. I'm easy.

	12-01-2001 23:17									#3
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

As the Dip game i was in is no more, I am available at 630 or 7pm EST on Monday, Wednesday or Thursday. Perhaps this game I won't have to be surrounded by A/I.

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	13-01-2001 06:08									#4
	Inflate your Upload Space

Ok you two..... i have no problems with making it a once a week game so long as everyone is commited. I don't want this to go for four sessions and then die

As far as diplomacy goes....... i believe in it, it would n't be a dip game if some of us just wandered around crushing everything in our paths

So..... yes there needs to be some rules regarding that.... i am not set in any rules yet and i believe in a democratic vote..... i don't want people grudgingly going along with things only to resent the game starter...... So i think when a core group is ready to play we should vote on the rules and majority takes all....

Earliest i can play in the week would likely be 5pm on a consistent basis..... this goes for my cousin too, who will share our civ

	13-01-2001 14:56									#5
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

War4 in a diplo game? Jews in piggeries.....


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	13-01-2001 19:50									#6
	Full PM-box? Change here!

War4Ever and Mercantile, I would like to get into your weekend session. I can start at noon PST (3PM Eastern) on most Saturdays and Sundays. I would need a break for food about 3 PM PST, but then I could resume play.

I am on Eastern Time, so that would make a weekday game 6 PM PST start too late for me. Perhaps you can get both a weekend and weekday game going.

Do you have a host for the game? I have the cable modem, but I am on Mac OS and cannot host using the simul option.

In the Cavebear post, we discussed the pros and cons of using a premade map. I am in the camp that prefers a premade map that will give decent starting points to each tribe. I have a large world map that I think will accomplish this goal. It is set up for up to 6 tribes.

Here is a descrption of map that I set up. I think that it would make for a balanced start and a good game.

I created the map by editing the Large World Map that came with my Civ 2 Gold CD. It is 75 x 120.

I now have a 6 Tribe Map which uses the following:

French - start in western Europe (38,32)
Russian - start in middle Asia (54,26)
Mongolians - start in NorthEast Asia (Northern China) (53,63)
Chinese - SouthEast Asia (Southern China) (63,60)
Babylonians - start in Northern India (53,63)
Egyptian - start in middle Africa (42,73)

I had to use Egyptian and Babylonians because the game uses tribe groups (colors).

I started each tribe on a river square. I added 2 rivers in the Mongolia (NE Asia area) to allow the river start.

I also added some forests to Africa, India and China, because I felt they were behind in productive squares. I created some "natural barriers" (mountains, hills or lakes) between each tribe. They are not large barriers, and I did this to balance the barriers already between other tribes ( like the Mediterian Sea, Red Sea and Himilayian Mountains).

I think that this map will give a balanced start. Since I have seen the map, I would be the last to choose my tribe. I will not know where special resources are, because those would be randomized at the start.

One interesting effect of this map is that it leaves the new world (North and South America) open, and the race to settle it would be fun.

Here is a link to a partial screen shot of the map that I created. It should give you an idea of the layout.

http://home.columbus.rr.com/epikhome/CivFiles/6TribeMap.html

	14-01-2001 21:26									#7
	Put an end to popups!

Looks like lack of interest will prevent a Diety-Hoards-Diplo game from starting today. I guess I will be joining the Cavebear King-NoBarbs game today, unless there is a sudden surge of interest today in a hard core game. A soft game is better than no game.

I am still interested in a hard core game, so let me know if you manage to get one started in the future.

	14-01-2001 23:28									#8
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Well Merc/war4ever, you've got two very reliable, if nothing else, players in me and Dimbleby.
So when were you thinking of starting this game? How many people are you looking for? I would be happy to start with 4 or 5. Any more than that can be hairy to manage, as I think we all know.

I can start this week on either wenesday or thursday, and I am assuming that dimb can do the same. As games go, I am usually fairly impatient when it comes to starting one, so please get back to me on when you'll like to start. At this point, unless I get some confirmation from you guys, I'd be very apt to pick up another game. (but dont take that as I am the type who won't stick to a game once started)

So Epik, you can't add another weekday game to your roster?

	14-01-2001 23:41									#9
	Remove this text

Another weekday would be possible on Thursday, but an earlier post indicated a 6 PM Pacific Time start which would be 9 PM EST, and too late of a start for me, since it would probably run 3 or more hours.

Edited... hmmm... maybe it was in the Cavebear post, I just reviewed this one and there is no mention of a PST start time.

So if it is an earlier start on Thursday, then I could make it.
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	16-01-2001 01:18									#10
	Support Apolyton

I would love to play a wonderless game some time too.......just throwing that out there. And perhaps a no hut game.......

	16-01-2001 04:23									#11
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Hey Alexander's Horse, isn't that war4 bloke the one who is afraid to play you?

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	16-01-2001 08:16									#12
	Inflate your Upload Space

If we are going start this week, Wednesday is good. My dad is coming up to visit from Texas on Thursday, so if we're going to start on Thursday, I would appreciate it if we did so next week.

As far as my preference on the game itself, I would like to see a large randomly generated world. While the Earth provides realism, it is kind of boring to know where everything is. I wouldn't mind doing Drake's idea of no wonders, as long as there is a way that we can get nukes (since no one will be building the Manhattan Project).

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Thousands of monkeys are creating havoc in the corridors of power, barging into government offices, stealing food, threatening bureaucrats, and even ripping apart valuable documents.

You little scumbag! I've got your name! I've
got your ass! You will not laugh! You will not
cry! You will learn by the numbers. I will
teach you. Now get up! Get on your feet! You
had best un**** yourself or I will unscrew
your head and **** down your neck!

	16-01-2001 09:20									#13
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Ok.... sorry all i am not sure whats happening with my server this week ..... things are pretty hairy around here.... I am sure Merc did something and is not owning up to it anyways.... i want to get this off the ground asap..... just as soon as i fix my computer problems which should be this week (friday) at the latest.... until then keep posting and lets hammer out the details....

Seems to me some Aussie has infiltrated my thread... wow two of them to be precise..... i must be loved

	16-01-2001 18:50									#14
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I dont know if it would be to late by now but I would love to join too.

	18-01-2001 05:25									#15
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Many apologies to all, I've got to back out due to finding a new game....

And I was so ready to get in a big brawl........oh well, sorry yall, maybe some other time.

	19-01-2001 20:16									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I'm still looking for a NON-KNOWN world diplo game! Seems all the other "diplo games" are being populated with phsyic rulers that want to know all the world before they start & that it is "fair" to everyone.
The socialists of Civ-dom.

For reasons cited above + it's so TOTALLY unrealistic.
Known maps are for pu__ies, in my IMS-HO. ):

All the rest of the settings hardly matter to me at this point. (tho i do like the no-wonders, except Apollo of course)

If this game will be for REAL Rulers, i can be very flexible w/ my schedule.

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	23-01-2001 07:58									#17
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Well we still need at least two more for this one... seven would be best... anyone?

	23-01-2001 18:38									#18
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

As I said earlier I would like to join.

	23-01-2001 19:28									#19
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Just wanted to let you know that I will have to pass on joining this game, in case you were counting me as one of the players.

I am already in 2 games, and that is my limit.

	24-01-2001 17:43									#20
	Get a bigger avatar today!

It turns out that I will not be able to play in this game afterall, as overtime has been reinstituted where I work.

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Thousands of monkeys are creating havoc in the corridors of power, barging into government offices, stealing food, threatening bureaucrats, and even ripping apart valuable documents.

You little scumbag! I've got your name! I've
got your ass! You will not laugh! You will not
cry! You will learn by the numbers. I will
teach you. Now get up! Get on your feet! You
had best un**** yourself or I will unscrew
your head and **** down your neck!

	25-01-2001 05:52									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Well now this game is defunct..... at any rate anyone wishing to start a new dip game ..... i would love to play especially during a weeknight..... icq me @ 30200920