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WTF - Jeb Bush still pursuing Michael Schiavo? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Yes, I know he's a liberal columnist, but for crying out loud, can't these fundamentalists leave the poor man alone! He's just buried his wife, and he's been villified accross the country. Let him get on with his life, he's spent 14 years living with this. People guilty of second degree murder have gotten shorter sentences.

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By BOB HERBERT
Published: June 23, 2005
"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" asked Joseph Welch in his famous confrontation with the pathologically cruel Joe McCarthy. "Have you left no sense of decency?"

More than a half-century later, I would ask the same question of Florida's governor, Jeb Bush.

In an abuse of power that has been widely denounced, and has even appalled many of his own supporters in the Republican Party, Governor Bush has tried to keep the Terri Schiavo circus alive by sending state prosecutors on a witch hunt against her husband, Michael.

The state attorney who has been pushed by the governor into pursuing this case told me yesterday he has seen nothing to indicate that a crime was committed. Nevertheless, the inquiry continues.

Governor Bush asked Bernie McCabe, the state attorney for Pinellas County, to "take a fresh look" at this already exhaustively investigated case to determine, among other things, whether Michael Schiavo had perhaps waited too long to call for help after discovering that his wife had collapsed early one morning 15 years ago.

Mr. McCabe did not seem particularly enthusiastic about his mission. "I wouldn't call it an investigation," he told me in a telephone conversation. The word "investigation," he said, "is a term of art in my business."

He then explained: "When I conduct an investigation, it would mean that I have a criminal predicate. In other words, that I have some indication that a crime has occurred. That's my job.

"In this circumstance, that does not exist at this time. So what I'm attempting to do is respond to the governor's request by conducting what I'm calling an 'inquiry' to see if I can resolve the issues he raised."

He chuckled at his use of the word inquiry. "It may be a distinction without a difference," he said.

Whatever term is used, the governor's continued pursuit of Mr. Schiavo in the absence of any evidence that he has done anything wrong is a clear example of government power being used as a club to punish someone for political reasons. The unwarranted harassment of an ordinary citizen by the most powerful political figure in his state is an affront to the very idea of freedom that Mr. Bush and his brother in the White House are so fond of preaching.

The political exploitation of this tragic case has been uniquely grotesque. Ms. Schiavo died March 31 following the court-ordered removal of her feeding tube. An autopsy supported Mr. Schiavo's contention that his wife had been in a persistent vegetative state. She was unaware of anything and incapable of recovering. At her death at age 41, Ms. Schiavo's withered brain was half the normal size for a woman her age.

Governor Bush was one of the leaders of the pack of politicians who vehemently opposed Mr. Schiavo's efforts to have his wife's feeding tube removed. Much of what was said was outrageous. Eleven days before she died, Tom DeLay declared: "Terri Schiavo is not brain dead. She talks and she laughs, and she expresses happiness and discomfort. Terri Schiavo is not on life support."

Senator Tom Coburn, a Republican and a physician from Oklahoma, said: "All you have to do is look at her on TV. Any doctor with any conscience can look at her and know that she does not have a terminal disease and know that she has some function."

All agree that Terri Schiavo is now dead, but Governor Bush insists on keeping the craziness going.

Mr. Schiavo has said over the years that his wife collapsed around 4:30 or 5 o'clock in the morning and that he quickly called 911. He has always stressed that he was making a rough estimate about the time. His call to 911 was recorded at 5:40 a.m.

Quick, try to remember with any precision the exact time of a traumatic incident that happened to you or a relative 10 or 15 years ago. Not only is it difficult to do, but the degree of precision deteriorates as the years pass.

Governor Bush's continued pursuit of Mr. Schiavo is not just pointless, it's cruel and unconscionable.

I pressed Mr. McCabe, the state attorney. If there's no evidence that a crime has been committed, I asked, then what is the purpose of the inquiry?

"My purpose," he said, "is simply to respond to the governor. The governor's asked me to do something, and I'm going to try to do it."

Welcome to power politics, American style.

E-mail: bobherb@nytimes.com

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Jesus Christ...

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Why do you hate freedom so much, Shawn?

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Did you call the future president of the United States of America a fundamentalist? You clearly must hate America. Move to Cuba now!

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I'm glad I didn't follow this closely the 1st time it came around.

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Ahhhh . . . . .


nothing like a high-power politician beating up an American citizen to compensate for his small ****.

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Too bad Ned had a hissy fit and left. I'm sure he'd be here to praise Jeb for pursuing the murdering Michael Schiavo.

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Link it for when he comes back.

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Too bad Ned had a hissy fit and left. I'm sure he'd be here to praise Jeb for pursuing the murdering Michael Schiavo.


That's because none of us liberal pinkos voted for him in the Poly Hall of Fame!

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Too bad Ned had a hissy fit and left. I'm sure he'd be here to praise Jeb for pursuing the murdering Michael Schiavo.


So when did that happen? I missed it.

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So when did that happen? I missed it.


Hall of Fame thread. As Imran said, nobody had voted for him, so he left in a huff. Pekka threw him a pity vote after the fact, but Ned hasn't been seen since.

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Are you serious? Ned left over the Poly HOF?

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Yup. So now I can't blame him for staying away, because that's a monumentally embarassing reason to run away from a message board.

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That's just the funniest thing. I thought he was joking at the time. But nope, apparently not.

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Oh christ. That is absolutely PRICELESS. It gives me a warm, happy feeling deep inside.

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I always knew ned was a loser, but that just about caps it!!!

BTW link please?

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Be nice now...


Oh, and that's not really a suggestion or request.

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I was being nice...

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You know what I mean...

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Oh, and that's not really a suggestion or request.


you should make that your sig

MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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Yeah - when NASA gets off its ass and puts a new crew into space, I'll change my sig.

Considering what we got, I still think Francona and Ortiz would have been the better ticket in '04.

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Why does the Governor of Florida need to keep pursuing this? He should be running his state and not messing in silly Pervert of the Week crap.

The Great American Pastime seems to have become:

CHARACTER BASHING

I guess it's telling that there are half hour celebrity shows like Entertainment Tonight, which are nothing more than gossip about personalities, all over the place. So, basically, they are shows about NOTHING.

Turner was right, less pervert of the week crap.

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Erm, are you talking about Schiavo, or Ned?

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Sorry, I was talking about Schiavo.

I think it's strange that the Governor is getting involved in this.

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I'm sorry to hear Ned left, he's certainly deserving of a vote for the HoF. Just wish I thought of him

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Well if Ned is deserving, so is Fez

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