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AMD Files Antitrust Suit Against Intel
Tuesday June 28, 9:00 am ET

AMD Files Antitrust Suit Against Intel, Accusing Co. of Forcing Customers Into Exclusive Deals

SUNNYVALE, Calif. (AP) -- Chip maker Advanced Micro Devices Inc. has filed an antitrust lawsuit against Intel Corp., accusing its market-dominating competitor of forcing customers into exclusive deals to keep them from buying AMD microprocessors.

The suit, filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Delaware, alleges Intel has bullied 38 companies, including large-scale computer-makers, wholesale distributors and retailers, to secure a monopoly in the highly competitive x86 microprocessor market.

The microprocessors run the Microsoft Windows, Solaris and Linux families of operating systems. Santa Clara-based Intel's current market share of x86 microprocessors is about 80 percent of worldwide sales by unit volume and 90 percent by revenue.

"Everywhere in the world, customers deserve freedom of choice and the benefits of innovation -- and these are being stolen away in the microprocessor market," said Hector Ruiz, president and chief executive officer of the Sunnyvale-based AMD.

He added that "people from Osaka to Frankfurt to Chicago pay the price in cash every day for Intel's monopoly abuses."

An Intel representative could not be reached before business hours Tuesday.

In March, Japan's anti-monopoly watchdog, the Fair Trade Commission, issued a warning to Intel, saying that the company was curbing competition in the microprocessor chip market by pressuring Japanese clients to buy its chips.

Intel denied the allegations but said at the time that the changes outlined in the agency's proposed cease-and-desist order would not affect its ability to compete in the Japanese marketplace.

The European Commission has said it is pursuing an investigation against Intel for similar possible antitrust violations and is cooperating with Japanese authorities.

According to the complaint, Intel has forced major customers such as Dell, Sony, Toshiba, Gateway and Hitachi into exclusive deals in return for cash payments and other deals. It also allegedly paid Sony millions of dollars for an exclusive deal on microprocessors and threatened retaliation against customers for introducing AMD computer platforms into their products.

Rick Whittington, a Caris & Co. analyst, said the legal action has been expected and breaks no new ground.

"The timing of this suit, in our view, is Sales and Marketing 101," he said in a research note. "Get the attention of the customer as market demand heats up and you have sizable supply coming down the pike. Put the competitor, to whatever extent possible, on the ropes and force them to adopt less aggressive sales tactics, if even marginal."

Shares of Intel fell 12 cents to $25.74 in pre-market trading, while shares of AMD rose 25 cents, or 1.5 percent, to $16.90.

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Is it really illegal for Intel to undercut AMD's prices to major OEMs if they stay exclusive?

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It is if you're AMD.

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Is it really illegal for Intel to undercut AMD's prices to major OEMs if they stay exclusive?

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It is if you're AMD.

It is, period. It's called "shutting out your competition", people.

Looking forward to seeing the courts give Intel the raping they've deserved for almost a decade.

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Exclusive contracts are not illegal last time I checked...

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Just wondering, but what are the comparissons between this case, and the Microsoft v. US case, the one where the supreme court considered breaking Microsoft into pieces?

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Hopefully not much, breaking up Intel would be even worse than breaking up Microsoft. A lot of the chip R&D is centralized.

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Though I prefer AMD ( it works better ) , that's just stupid . AMD can have huge marketshare in developing countries like India , if they play their cards right ( they have both the price and the performance advantage ) .

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Is it really illegal for Intel to undercut AMD's prices to major OEMs if they stay exclusive?

It's not a question of undercutting prices (mostly.) It's things like withholding shipments of chips or payments that they're already under contract for because a company has chosen to use AMD in some of their other products (see compaq, hp, etc.) or attempting to use their market muscle to stop annoying things like infringment lawsuits (see intergraph.)

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Perhpas AMD should sue the companies that cave into Intels pressure, since its thier choice in the end as to wether or not they sign a contract.


What kind of pressure are we talking about anyway? Are they sending out Michael Corleone to give them an offer they cant refuse or what?

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Well, a former Compaq CEO did say that they basically put a gun to his head...I'm pretty sure he wasn't speaking literally, though.

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Just wondering, but what are the comparissons between this case, and the Microsoft v. US case, the one where the supreme court considered breaking Microsoft into pieces?


None at all.

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Exclusive contracts are not illegal last time I checked...


Not unless they're obtained by means of abusing market power or predatory pricing.

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It is, period. It's called "shutting out your competition", people.

Looking forward to seeing the courts give Intel the raping they've deserved for almost a decade.


It is, if, and only if, there is some unlawful abuse of market power, which is a question of fact, not of law.

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I don't understand this hate towards Intel.

On the other hand, I hope AMD wins. Why? Because I hate America. AMD is a Canadian company; if Intel is forced to split into many different companies, odds are those companies would go under very fast. Which is good for Canada/AMD, and good for South Korea: Samsung.

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AMD isn't Canadian by any stretch of the imagination.

Both Intel and AMD are American.

I think you confused ATI with AMD. ATI is a Canadian company, their campus is about 5 minutes from where I work.

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Oh, well, damn. There goes my rationale for actually caring if AMD won.

In any case, I'm hoping this case doesn't really go anywhere, mostly since AMD seems to be doing just fine, thank you.

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Weren't ATi and nVidia both founded by Asians?

Asians

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One of my co-workers used to work at Intel. When he heard about this, his only comment was "It's about time."

BTW, the people who are dismissing this out of hand should read the complaint. There's some very interesting stuff in there. Whether or not it's true is another matter, but a lot of it squares with personal knowledge. And given that Intel has yet to really contest similar charges from the JFTC, they're probably in trouble.

BTW, Groklaw has an article on this.

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