29-06-2005 22:46									#31
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quote: The level of technology needed to mine Titan would probably allow the resources to be synthesised more cheaply on Earth.

I don't know about that, seems like both options would need a significant increase in technology... and, taking the space route is just soooooo much kewler.

	29-06-2005 22:53									#32
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and synthesized space chicks just aren't the same

	29-06-2005 23:39									#33
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jahper, like i said i've got nothing against science, but i agree with bfg that money could be better spent.

	30-06-2005 00:52									#34
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Still, C0ckney, how many of those problems would really change if we throw money at them?

	30-06-2005 02:49									#35
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney jahper, like i said i've got nothing against science, but i agree with bfg that money could be better spent.

Now the yanks know how I feel when they have the cheek to me how great our Royal family is. Easy to say when you arn't paying for it yourself!

It's karma, I hate paying for the upkeep of a bunch of German inbreds, but I'm getting all the space stuff, which I love, for free.

	30-06-2005 03:05									#36
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whereas i'm the exact opposite, ain't life grand.

	30-06-2005 03:13									#37
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 How about throwing it to provide increased government services to our citizens? MrFun, I was fortunate enough to have been able to attend college to broaden my horizons. Why dont we use this space program money to broaden the horizons of the indigent children of our country in the same way?

We piss away more in Federal deficits in three days than the NASA budget for a year, let alone the amount allocated to deep space mission programs.

How broad would your horizons have been if it hadn't been for government support of various technology ventures in the past several centuries?

And school funding is a state issue, the Feds should have nothing to do with it.

	30-06-2005 03:13									#38
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney whereas i'm the exact opposite, ain't life grand.

yep, I gathered that by your sig,! I don't want you to think I'm not proud to be English, I'd just sooner be proud to be English AND live in a republic!

At least NASA isn't costing you like the spongers are costing me!! I might vote with my tax and move to America (I'd need to find a English enclave, yanks tend to tend wear me out after a while with their mindless optimism!!! )

	30-06-2005 03:14									#39
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I should point out that space science research led directly to the computers we are using to host and post on this site.

	30-06-2005 03:15									#40
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i'm both proud and happy to pay the 61p/year the monarchy costs me

	30-06-2005 03:18									#41
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney i'm both proud and happy to pay the 61p/year the monarchy costs me

If you'll pay 122p and I'll send my 61p to NASA (I'll mark the envelope "manned mission to Alpha Centauri").

	30-06-2005 03:19									#42
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quote: Originally posted by pchang I should point out that space science research led directly to the computers we are using to host and post on this site.

and light sabres!!

	30-06-2005 03:28									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler And sign of a Trafalmadorian and/or three sirens??

*smacks Zkribbler with a vonne's Gut.*

	30-06-2005 08:48									#44
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney jahper, like i said i've got nothing against science, but i agree with bfg that money could be better spent.

Money can be spent on better things than war, but without war we wouldn't have jet-planes as advaced, railways as advanced, motorways as advanced, etc.

What appears to be a short-term useless thing is actually a long-term boom. Much technology taken out of the space-programme is apparent in our everyday lives.

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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed *smacks Zkribbler with a vonne's Gut.*

Finally, someone got it!

	30-06-2005 10:15									#46
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 MrFun, I was fortunate enough to have been able to attend college to broaden my horizons. Why dont we use this space program money to broaden the horizons of the indigent children of our country in the same way?

When you come up with THE formula to solve all the world's problems in one shot, let us know.

	30-06-2005 19:37									#47
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat We piss away more in Federal deficits in three days than the NASA budget for a year, let alone the amount allocated to deep space mission programs.

That's a seperate problem caused by Bush's foreign policy.

quote: How broad would your horizons have been if it hadn't been for government support of various technology ventures in the past several centuries?

All I'm saying is: There better be a good business case for any given space research project for me to be supportive. Sending a spaceship to Titan to photograph the surface may give a hard-on to a group of academics sitting in a dark lab in Houston, but I fail to see any ROI for the public.

quote: And school funding is a state issue, the Feds should have nothing to do with it.

I disagree. I dont side with Bush very often but I think his "No Child Left Behind" education initiative is good for the country. NCLB programs deserve funding in favor of the quest to photograph the surface of Titan.

	30-06-2005 19:51									#48
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Bfg: "Either we develop alternate forms of energy or wars break out over control of the world's resources (like the current US intervention in Iraq, but on a larger scale). So, better to spend that space research money on development of alternate forms of energy, yes?"

Or R&D better weapons?

	30-06-2005 20:32									#49
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Why can't we do both!

	01-07-2005 08:16									#50
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Consider computer modelling of weather on earth. With a sample size of one it can be quite difficult to detect the nature of all flaws in the model. However, if we learn about conditions in wildly different environments we can test our model under conditions that do not occur on earth to see if our basic assumptions of weather that underlie the model are correct.

Empirical data cannot be manufactured. Any data we can add to what is available on Earth greatly improves our ability to understand the world around us.

	01-07-2005 08:39									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor If you want to whine about a waste of money, look at the Space shuttle (5 billions a year), or better yet, look at the pork and corporate welfare (untold amount of billions a year), or look at the war in Iraq (how many billions did it cost yet? 180 or something like that? )

Ever heard of Social Security? Most expensive project, to date, ever undertaken by the United States...

Now, I'm not at all saying it is a waste, rather, poor management on the government's part...

	01-07-2005 09:23									#52
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Sending a spaceship to Titan to photograph the surface may give a hard-on to a group of academics sitting in a dark lab in Houston, but I fail to see any ROI for the public.

Queen Isabella probably wouldn't have sent Columbus off to China is she knew the way was blocked by a couple of continents full of pagan savages. No ROI in that.

	01-07-2005 09:52									#53
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"couple of continents full of pagan savages."

You mean the spiritual villagers living in harmony with nature and partaking of the pipe of peace and dancing the buffalo dance under the stars? The ancestors of a full 1/16th of the blood running through my viens?

White devil...

	01-07-2005 10:10									#54
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BFG, we explore space the same reason people climb Mt. Everest; BECAUSE WE CAN! Exploration is part of human nature. Even science itself casn be considered a form of exploration. So I guess you think most paleontologists, for example, should loose thier jobs then.

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One day we will sail across the seas of black space and become the new gods of the sky

with alien chicks to keep us company i'd like a green one.....

	01-07-2005 15:52									#56
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 News items like this bring two questions to mind immediately: 1) How does this discovery change my life for the better? 2) How much of my tax dollars were spent to make this discovery?

If man did not explore you would not live where you are now.

	02-07-2005 01:37									#57
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor One day we will sail across the seas of black space and become the new gods of the sky

	02-07-2005 01:48									#58
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor One day we will sail across the seas of black space and become the new gods of the sky with alien chicks to keep us company i'd like a green one.....

Dude, when we'll sail across space, you'll be able not only to make a green alien chick, but to actually become one.

	02-07-2005 02:55									#59
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Maybe we will engineer an intellegent species on another planet that will worship us.

	02-07-2005 03:14									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Maybe we will engineer an intellegent species on another planet that will worship us.

Last time an intelligent designer did that to humans, it backfired pretty uglyly