29-06-2005 19:49									#1
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At about 19 hours and 30 minutes my last game, a domination victory at warlord, felt long. I felt like I should have won the game earlier, but I seemed to have trouble landing the knockout punch. The last couple of Civs put up more of a fight than I expected. When I finally did it was in the early 1900's, about 150 years longer than I thought it would take.

My question is this. How long is it taking you better players to finish a game, and what are some stratagies that you use to land that killer blow?

	29-06-2005 19:56									#2
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23 hours on Rise and Rule. Didn't finish it... Takes damn forever.

Didn't sleep for 32 hours, either...

	29-06-2005 20:11									#3
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Check out this game log for a fast finish:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=90442

	29-06-2005 21:52									#4
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That is impressive, but he also picked his start location. Also, did he have accelerated production on? In my last game my start location was less than optimal. A little bit of grass lands with a desert and a lot of jungle.

	30-06-2005 04:53									#5
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Aprox 24 hours and 30 minutes. Middle Ages as Germany, Emperor level. Won on Victory Points. 1 relic returned + almost all the tech tree including all optional branches + several last era great wonders + wiped out Bulgars, Poland, and Maqyars.
Bryzantine were in second place : aprox 9800 points behind me after I returned the relic.

	30-06-2005 10:32									#6
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Still playing after 50 hours.
(Gigantic, 32 player, ultra-slow tech)

	30-06-2005 16:05									#7
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I recently won a diplomatic victory in 12 hours - huge map, Emperor level but only 3 other civs and I didn't fight a single war.

	30-06-2005 17:19									#8
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24 hrs & counting

Would have been finished but the default cultural victory in C3C is set at 160K. PTW was 100K.



JATF

	01-07-2005 02:28									#9
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jatf, the empire wide cultural victory condition under C3C depends upon your map. It's still 100K on a standard map. It's only at 160K by default on huge maps.

	01-07-2005 14:40									#10
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quote: It's only at 160K by default on huge maps.

So that explains it. I'll just have to send some "ambassadors" to visit my neighbours then

JATF

	01-07-2005 22:33									#11
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Doesn't C3C 1.22 need both total culture level AND a high single city level for the flip?

I just did a huge map and exceeded the 160k with no victory. It was a random start that gave me the Japanese and I conquered and built temples and cathedrals everywhere.

I ended up doing a conquest victory which was less satisfying than culture would have been.

	02-07-2005 08:48									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Still playing after 50 hours. (Gigantic, 32 player, ultra-slow tech)

Now at 56 hours.

	02-07-2005 21:17									#13
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Most recently, 15 hours and 15 minutes. Fall of Rome as Franks, Emperor level. VP victory

W Rome : Fell to Celts
E Rome : Fell to Me
Visigoths : Fell to Me
Sassidens : Fell to Ortho.
Anglo-Saxons: Fell to Me
Ortho.: Fell to Huns
Celts: Fell to Me and brought me way over the top.

At that point the Vandals and Huns surrendered.

Dumbest AI move : Celts founding a city while at war with me adjecent to 2 Heavy Calvary + 1 Maruder on the relic just to clear a Silver colony; several more of my units were within range.

	04-07-2005 19:57									#14
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I play with the largest map so 35-50 hrs.

	05-07-2005 19:52									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Anaximander That is impressive, but he also picked his start location. Also, did he have accelerated production on? In my last game my start location was less than optimal. A little bit of grass lands with a desert and a lot of jungle.

No, he did it on Chieftain without AP on. But he carefully chose all the AI civs to be scientific and gifted them into the new era so as to trade for their free techs. Very smart set up indeed. So when he entered each new tech tree instead of having one tech (his free tech) he started it with 8 techs !!

	06-07-2005 01:59									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Now at 56 hours.

Now at 62 hours.
(Perhaps it would help if I eliminated a few neighbors )

	08-07-2005 21:37									#17
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My last game? 3 hours and a half, Diplomatic on Emperor.

I have already put together a Deity (or was it DG, don't really remember) game in less than 2 hours. That was one great pain. But I won!

	08-07-2005 21:54									#18
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3 hours!!! And a diplomatic victory at that. I have to know how you did it?

	09-07-2005 04:52									#19
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Still going...

	09-07-2005 06:44									#20
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12 hours Emperor. Diplomatic victory.

	09-07-2005 12:26									#21
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PBEM game, 1 1/2 years with a good play rate (3 pepole)

lost somthing fearce, but learned some vaulable lessons

VS AI 56 hours give our take

Tech superiortiy is the best way to crush them hard and fast
80% research rate for as long as possible

	09-07-2005 19:14									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Anaximander 3 hours!!! And a diplomatic victory at that. I have to know how you did it?

Diplomatic victory is surely the fastest (along with some 20k). With little or no military, no wars, turns go really fast. All you have to do is decide what to build 2-3 times per turn (but you follow an order) and what to research every 5-10 turns. That's all.

Of course, a single turn in war lasts much longer.

	10-07-2005 02:52									#23
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130 hours. No joke. Wasn't even finished. A DyP World Map game, Monarch. Insanely slow tech pace, and Space was the only doable victory - Domination is almost impossible on Kal-El's map (about 20% are nothing but unsettable Tundra), UN was out since everyone hated me, and Conquest would have required to kill about 15 Civs. Oh, and a 700MHz P3 didn't help as well . I went to the next Turkish snack and got myself a Kebab, and when I returned, the interturn was still going on...
Still, that is nothing compared to that giant map SG on CFC, with about 600 hours .

	10-07-2005 10:35									#24
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Sounds alot like what I'm doing now.

	11-07-2005 00:46									#25
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quote: 130 hours. No joke. Wasn't even finished. A DyP World Map game, Monarch

Seriously. It sounds as if the fun factor would be low on this one. Or maybe there is a heightened sense of achievement when you are done?

I know from experience that DyPs can take a long time, however.

Golden Bear

	11-07-2005 12:18									#26
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38 hrs 28mins & 36 secs. Finally went above 160K on the cultural level. That only took what felt like a lifetime to achieve.

JATF

	11-07-2005 19:17									#27
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Well, 3 of us are sharing this computer, so I have to play fast in order to finis a game at all.

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	12-07-2005 03:43									#28
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I never finish a civ III game in one setting. Not even a conquest. It takes several settings.

On the cultural global victory, you also have to have 2X culture of closest oppoent, so if your on Huge map and the nearest oppoent has more than 80K culture, you'll need either more than 160K culture or to completly wipe out that civ to win. This is different from single city culture, where close doesn't matter.

	19-07-2005 01:46									#29
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Latest now 29 hours 8 minutes something seconds
Rise of Rome as Macedonia on Emperor level.
Took a few extra turns since I was stuck at 19% land area after wiping out both Persia and the Scythians. (Carthage had annexed most of Egypt while I was busy fighting the Persians so I got little from the Egypt indeed. Rome built ToA.) First turn of the war on Gauls which brought in a city with expanded borders pulled me over the 20% limit.

Next up is Age of Discovery as Spain on Emperor.
A couple of extra goals for myself:

1. Unify the Iberian penisula under my rule. (Along with northern africa.)

2. Conquer the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incans capitals and secure all the gold sources along the Alantic Ocean / Gulf of Mexico / Caribean.

The colonists I get are going to focus primarly on gold [3] and to a lessor extent silver [5], gems [5], and luxaries. Tobacco [8], Spices [10], Furs [20?] just can't compete when it comes to treasure gathering.

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	19-07-2005 20:25									#30
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50 hours? God, I've played games on huge maps, but even trying to conquest the whole map doesn't take me even 20 hours...I play on Regent...