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VetLegion is offline VetLegion
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Two questions.

1. Do you sometimes feel a need for intellectual challenge?

2. What is intellectual challenge for you and how/where do you get it?

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Whenever I want intellectual challenge I come over here....

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My ex-boyfriend, when he was alive, and I lived with him, provided me with intellectual challenge in the form of thoughtful, and in-depth philosophical questions and discussions.

I was younger then, and he opened my eyes wider than they were before.

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Two questions.

1. Do you sometimes feel a need for intellectual challenge?

2. What is intellectual challenge for you and how/where do you get it?


1. All the time

2. I don't understand what you're saying

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1) I usually get enough of that (to the extreme) at work. I sometimes feel the need for an intellectual challenge outside of work, and when that happens I geek out and work on my work-in-progress 3d "engine" that I started a long time ago. A lot of that is very mathy, and a lot of it I was rusty on or never learned in school so I've got to look it up myself.

2) At work it's a huge array of problems that I regularly am tasked to solve. A random example from today is we have a very large oil company that is in the process of "acceptance testing" a cluster of high-performance computers, and is finding the performance is not what they expect. Similarly, a large organization encountered performance issues on a BlueGene machine that indicate a defect of some kind in the compiler (runtime performance is reduced 2.5x compared to gcc, when it should be considerably faster).

In both of these cases, they couldn't let me see the code, or send any sort of test case. In the first case, the company was extremely protective of the code and has a virtually nonresponsive legal department. We couldn't sign an NDA so we could view the code... In the second case, it was a "top secret"/classified program that requires some kind of US national security clearance to see. Obviously, that wasn't an option.

So, I get to figure out the right questions to ask to see how they're using the compiler (which is enormously complicated software), analyze the performance profiling output I had them collect to see what type of functions/operations ate up the most time, etc.

It's really mentally taxing. :/

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At home I usually don't do anything "intellectually challenging", but I do spend a scary amount of time reading highly technical websites/books about technology so I can learn more about it.

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1. Sometimes

2. Currently my obsession is magic. Specifically, mentalism. What I am doing now is trying to figure out the tricks, then, create a few of my own.

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@asher bluegene it is going to power the biggest radiotelescope in the world it covers almost all of the Netherlands and part of germany too....bluegene 27,4 teraflop per second

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Who would have thought that of Levi Strauss & Co...

Besides, since it covers all of Netherlands, are you going to extend even more into the sea or will you all move somewhere else now? Just in case that I could prepare for another invasion of Rudis, Lindas and knows the devil what you are still hiding.

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HA we all know that spanish men all fall for our lindas...and some even for our rudies

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I like an intellectual challenge and I get it all the time at work.

My job includes tasks such as :

- make sense of often conflicting regulations
- draft tight and unambiguous contracts related to complex matters-- I think people underestimate the challenge this is when using a language as fraught with ambiguity and nuance as the English language. I enjoy it though

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Thanks for the replies.

BeBro, for 2) see what others have replied.


As for me, I've found that lately I get little intellectual challenge and I am searching for something to take up. A game, a hobby of a kind, I don't know... I was interested what others do when they feel they can and want to use their brainpower, yet aren't. Mine is underused I think

I'm a student btw., but I find most of the things I study at the moment boring.

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HA we all know that spanish men all fall for our lindas...and some even for our rudies


so far only the germans fell
But wait, then I am closely related to Germany

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I was younger then, and he opened my eyes wider than they were before.

Are you sure it had to do with this thread?


Yeah, sometimes I feel the need for an intellectual challenge. Even though I frequently get this at work, but only in a very certain field. Many of the topics i'm interested in such as ethics, philosophy, economy and whatever are not challenged there.

I usually try and read Arts and Letters Daily, or talk to my friends, whom I regard as well educated and intellectual. And of course the casual once per 6 month, phone discussion with Az.

Speaking of which, Az - we really should meet up as I'm going away for officer's training in a week.

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Are you sure it had to do with this thread?



I will let you ponder that on your own.

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Thanks for the replies.

BeBro, for 2) see what others have replied.


I know I just found it too intellectually challenging to write more....

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My ex-boyfriend, when he was alive, and I lived with him, provided me with intellectual challenge in the form of thoughtful, and in-depth philosophical questions and discussions.

I was younger then, and he opened my eyes wider than they were before.


I bet you read the Greek poets together

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I know I just found it too intellectually challenging to write more....


Ah, you were joking? Sometimes you are too sophisticated for me

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I thought this thread was about the intellectually challenged, like myself. Ah well, I'll go elsewhere, then.

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Two questions.

1. Do you sometimes feel a need for intellectual challenge?


Most of the times

quote:
Originally posted by VetLegion

2. What is intellectual challenge for you and how/where do you get it?


Thinking about/solving Problems of all kinds (in Programming, Biology, history of mankind etc.)
Developing things

I get them within my Jobs (Programming), University or my pet projects, or by just sitting there and thinking about a problem (and maybe discussing it on Internet Forums)

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Speaking of which, Az - we really should meet up as I'm going away for officer's training in a week.


****, you'll become an officer before me? damn.

Have fun in Ba'ad 1. They'll make you a man in more than one way.

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Whenever I want the intellectually challenged I come over here....

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Hmmm . . . .

1) Yes , I do feel the need for intellectual challenge .

2) Computer Science , Physics , and Mathematics . Top three sources of intellectual challenge for me . Currently I'm just a HS student , so I'm not really at the level at which Asher is , but I hope to get there . As a school project I've decided to do something simple - a program to solve those little SUDOKU puzzles you come across in the newspaper . The fact that I've been trying to teach myself the fundamentals of AI from an old book I found in the school library ( it's not really supposed to be there , it's a college-level book ) helps a lot .

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I keep trying to imagine Tony Blair as a Labour Prime Minister.


More puzzling than Zeno's paradoxes.

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Hmmm . . . .

1) Yes , I do feel the need for intellectual challenge .

2) Computer Science , Physics , and Mathematics . Top three sources of intellectual challenge for me . Currently I'm just a HS student , so I'm not really at the level at which Asher is , but I hope to get there . As a school project I've decided to do something simple - a program to solve those little SUDOKU puzzles you come across in the newspaper . The fact that I've been trying to teach myself the fundamentals of AI from an old book I found in the school library ( it's not really supposed to be there , it's a college-level book ) helps a lot .


I've recently solved them as well, but I used a different approach. I applied an evolutionary algorithm to see how it worked out and the fact that it was a rather quick hack it worked quite good and always found the solution after several tries.
I didn't think much about operators so I just implemented a simple swap mutation and used an ES. With a GA you might achieve better results, but then you have to think about CrossOvers. I'd like to do a Tabu Search as well, but that required more work and programming the whole thing just took some 8-9 hours (I finished 5am).

As you've probably guessed my field is metaheuristics

But anyway, the problems can almost be solved straight forward. A friend of mine tried a 2 level recursive approach and so far has solved all of the problems I tried it on.

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1) No, I dislike intellectuals. I want challenges....thought provoking concepts and ideas.....but dislike intellectual discussions. In general, I prefer my values, courage, character and patience to be challenged, rather than my intellect.

2) I would class an intellectual challenge as.....erm....something that makes me think outside the proverbial box and that does not have a definite solution. My course is about as intellectually challenging as.....an unchallenging thing (I also hate meaningless yet supposedly funny similies)....so I have given up on education a means for finding these challenges.

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Two questions.

1. Do you sometimes feel a need for intellectual challenge?

2. What is intellectual challenge for you and how/where do you get it?


* Grandpa Troll answer #1

Indeed at all times, I feel the need to grow as an individual. I dont allways get a challange but enjoy it when it comes my way.

* Grandpa Troll answers #2

I enjoy a debate with a highly educated individual. I am eduated but not in the scholarly aspect, more so through lifes highways,byways and rough shod pathways...

I do find a lot here and sometimes at work

I do have to wonder though, just because a person thinks something to be correct such as their opinion or stance or collection of what they feel is sufficient evidence to support their claim, doesnt mean they are in fact correct.

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