03-07-2005 13:05									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa And if some girl would want to marry me, I'd probably not interpret it as she'd love me, but that she would want to posses me.

Even if she is rich and beautiful?

	04-07-2005 14:56									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo molly, don't be such an idiot. You haven't changed have you? Still insulting and rude. and no I'm not anybody's double login. www.myspace.com/giancarlo1985 - there you go.

Aaahhh, how sweetly predictable.

You just know that some buttons, when pressed, will always yield the same humourless result.

	05-07-2005 03:33									#63
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There is forum etiquette and you like many don't ever follow it. This is why I rarely post here anymore (if at all, excluding this thread). So sit down and shut up.

	05-07-2005 03:35									#64
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Aaahhh, how sweetly predictable. You just know that some buttons, when pressed, will always yield the same humourless result.

You know, if it doesn't even contain any humor, pushing the button just makes you a jackass.

	05-07-2005 08:59									#65
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Well at least molly is consistent. A consistent retarded idiot. Go ahead and ban me but some things have to be said. It is not like I post here that often anyways (this is the first thread in a long time, and in fact the only one). He is the biggest fool I have ever seen here. His posting contribution here stacks up to ****.

Good night and think about the troops who are fighting for you. Maybe if you weren't such stupid socialists you would realize that. Happy fourth of july for all those who defend the troops!

	05-07-2005 09:13									#66
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Hi Fez. Bye Fez.

The United Church of Christ also came out in favor of gay marriage today.

	05-07-2005 17:07									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Bill3000 Speaking of which, what was Fez's position on this issue? I forgot.

Whatever it is , it won't be Missionary .

	05-07-2005 17:13									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker You know, if it doesn't even contain any humor, pushing the button just makes you a jackass.

As humour is such a personal thing I'll let your inaccurate observation slide. But I would point out that one 'Poly poster found my post amusing or humorous, even if you didn't.

And no, I'm not referring to me.

quote: Well at least molly is consistent. A consistent retarded idiot. Go ahead and ban me but some things have to be said

Oh they do Uncle Fezster, they do.


My, what a fiery Latin temper you have. Do you do requests ?

Can you do 'gaucho sits on a cactus' ?

	05-07-2005 17:21									#69
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Just chill you two, or I will restrict both of you

	05-07-2005 18:11									#70
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I think the primary secular argument against gay marrage is that, if you define marriage as more than the union of a man and woman, where can you realistically draw the line? Why is polygamy not allowed? What about incest if neither party can bear children?

I understand the logic of this argument, and while I support gay marriage I'm not sure how I feel about polygamy, non-procreative incest, etc. I do think it's kind of silly to think that marriage between a small percent of a small percent of the population will destabilize traditional marriage.

Despite being a cynic and pessimist and all, I also think that there isn't enough love in the world, and any time that two people want to commit to one another and try to spend their lives together, we should give them our support.

I also say this as a married man who doesn't want, and won't have, kids. Yet, I still think the union of two people, even if they don't have children, is a generally stabilizing force.

Something has to be done about divorce, though. It should be harder to get married, and barring spousal abuse, harder to break the marriage. I think the ease with which folks in the US (don't know 'bout other nations) can enter and leave marriage destabilizes and undermines the institution far more than a few thousand gay marriages ever can.

Spain

	05-07-2005 18:15									#71
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quote: I think the primary secular argument against gay marrage is that, if you define marriage as more than the union of a man and woman, where can you realistically draw the line? Why is polygamy not allowed? What about incest if neither party can bear children?

Honestly, what's wrong with polygamy? I can see incest (The mandellian disadvantages and our innate ability to repel close relatives instictively; I'll have to look up on Wiki) as being a form of "unnaturality", but not much on polygamy. If a man wants to take 12 wifes or vice-versa, what's stopping it?

And there should be a parenting license.

	05-07-2005 18:43									#72
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Never understood this "where do you draw the line" logic. Right now (or not, in some places), a line is drawn at anything past one man and one women. How does moving that line one increment make it any more arbitrary or less stable? It's like saying that the speed limit is 100km/h right now, but if we raise it to 120km/h, then surely it's going to have to be 200km/h.

	05-07-2005 18:48									#73
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Zapatero

	05-07-2005 18:53									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki Never understood this "where do you draw the line" logic.

It's the 'logical extension' fallacy- it's like saying that introducing a policy of lenient sentencing will encourage people to commit more murders without actually bothering to make any valid logical connection between the two.

I mean if gay men and lesbians have the right to marry their partners of the same sex, where will it end ?

People marrying their same sex pets ? Rioting in the streets ?


This kind of filth and debauchery?

	05-07-2005 19:56									#75
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King Solomon the wise was a Polygamist- I always wonder why fundies rant against Polygamy as being "non-traditional" when in fact its as traditional as marriage comes.

The fundies have no one to blame but themselves. When marriage is a contract between bloodlines, to consumate alliences and economic ties by blood, then you can argue that it must be a couple capable of reproduction that does it.

But when you define marriage romantically (two people in love) then what is your arguement for demaning those two people be of opposite sexes? Marriage in America today is defined romantically, specially since the extended family in this country is so weak and splintered, which can be seen simply by the need to use "extended" when refering to cousisn, aunts and uncles, grandparent,s nephews and such, while in much of the rest of the world those people are instantly defined as Family.

	05-07-2005 20:01									#76
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Some hate women who are not lesbian. The term 'breeder' is used with some derision. I am sure there are some who hate men, just as there are some men who hate women.

Hey, you don't have to be non-hetero to use 'breeder' with derision.^-^

	05-07-2005 20:04									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Bill3000 Honestly, what's wrong with polygamy?

Nothing. It's just that the only ones interested in it right now are polygynous religious kooks. Hippie polyamorists don't need marriage to practice polyamory.

	06-07-2005 01:18									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler The United Church of Christ also came out in favor of gay marriage today.

Yep, I was gonna post on this. My local UCC even had a pride Sunday.

	06-07-2005 02:03									#79
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom As humour is such a personal thing I'll let your inaccurate observation slide. But I would point out that one 'Poly poster found my post amusing or humorous, even if you didn't. And no, I'm not referring to me.

And apparently you're not referring to Ming either.