02-07-2005 10:49									#91
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Oh shucks. No way our way will get passed by the SC. Where have you heard that before? Are you really this stupid, or do you have no shame?

Neither. Though I did have fun seeing Drake pwned

(and yes Drake, you were pwned by your own standard, a cookie if you can guess why).

	02-07-2005 10:50									#92
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Seriously though a reading of UN Charter doesn't seem to support the intervention in Kosovo as much as you'd like to think. Additionally in 1962 the International Court of Justice said that enforcement action is coercive action in the context of Chapter VII, which deals with threats to the peace, breaches of the peace and acts of aggression. Now you could argue that the UN resolution 1199 found that there actually was a threat to peace but it would still be a nonstarter as NATO would still require UNSC authorization to lauch offensive action under Article 53.

I agree that the legality of the Kosovo war is questionable at best.

But even you have to admit that the rationale of humanitarian intervention carries more water than the notion of preventive war.

	02-07-2005 10:52									#93
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You gotta give Drake some kind of visual motivation, GePap.

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	02-07-2005 11:18									#94
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quote: Originally posted by GePap But even you have to admit that the rationale of humanitarian intervention carries more water than the notion of preventive war.

There's wrong with the notion preventative action. It is a well founded doctrine in international law. See Caroline doctrine. However in the case of this thread both Kosovo and Iraq represent illegal violations of State sovereignty. I fail to see how a reasonable case can be made that one "carries more water" than the other.

	02-07-2005 11:31									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Yeah, but you aren't one of 'em.

Sure I was.


And stop overcompensating.

	02-07-2005 23:48									#96
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	03-07-2005 08:37									#97
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quote: And just what, exactly, would this other international law be based on, in this instance, but the UN charter?

50 years of interpretation of the UN charter and various other international treaties and agreements?

quote: Neither. Though I did have fun seeing Drake pwned

I think DD proved pretty convincingly that I was the correct one on this matter.

	03-07-2005 08:53									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker And stop overcompensating.

You would be familiar with that.

	04-07-2005 20:42									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I think DD proved pretty convincingly that I was the correct one on this matter.

Except that by your "any statement made that is wrong means pwning" standard, you claimed that a strict reading on the UN Charter was NOT what international law was based on anymore. DD's answer is based purely on a strict reading of the UN Charter

Whoops, Drake got PWNED.

And the sadder bit: what DD quoted was in article 53, which, had you simply gone to the link I provided in post #1 on this issue and scrolled down after article 52, you would have seen it. BUt you were too lazy to even do that.. tsk, tsk, tsk.

	04-07-2005 22:22									#100
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Only nuclear powers should have permanent seats, and every nuclear power should have one.

Okay. Canada will be ready to claim its seat in 2-3 weeks.

	04-07-2005 22:25									#101
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Except that by your "any statement made that is wrong means pwning" standard, you claimed that a strict reading on the UN Charter was NOT what international law was based on anymore. DD's answer is based purely on a strict reading of the UN Charter Whoops, Drake got PWNED.

Except I'm sure Drake's stance is that international law is a lot weaker than the UN charter, ergo, anything permitted under it is also permitted under international law. Whoops, GePap got PWNED.

	04-07-2005 22:39									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Except I'm sure Drake's stance is that international law is a lot weaker than the UN charter, ergo, anything permitted under it is also permitted under international law. Whoops, GePap got PWNED.

Except that unless Drake is that much your *****, you can;t interpret his statements in any useful way to this particular argument.

That your "interpretation" is also wrong on what Drake was saying,being utterly out of context to that particulars under which he made his statement, seems to show be that to some extent the relationship is reciprical.

Now, is that sad, pathetic, or hillarious? I am unsure which.

	04-07-2005 22:47									#103
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quote: Except that unless Drake is that much your *****, you can;t interpret his statements in any useful way to this particular argument.

I can, however, interpret his posting history to do so...

	05-07-2005 06:40									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker You would be familiar with that.

Yes, you've provided us with plenty of examples.

	05-07-2005 06:41									#106
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But the greatest example is your own... becoming an inane lefty because of Bush is overcompensation if there ever was any.

	05-07-2005 06:46									#107
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Go on...

Is the master bathroom on the RIGHT or the LEFT?

Now, get back to ordering your house servants around.

	05-07-2005 06:49									#108
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I would, but I don't want to hurt your feelings. I understand that you're still emotionally fragile over the election.

EDIT: the original post above was "go on", but I was DanSed.

	05-07-2005 06:51									#109
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If lying about giving reasons for sending a bunch of kids to die and wrecking an entire country is no big deal to you, then you have bigger problems.

What do you care, you live a sheltered life of luxury where Mommy and Daddy pay for everything.

Your stress point is trying to decide whether to take the BMW or the Lexus to school or not.



Until you actually have some life experience, and actually learn how to stand on your own two feet, then maybe I'll take you seriously. In the meantime, Junior, why don't you go relax and come back after spending some time in shower #16.

Thanks.

	05-07-2005 06:57									#110
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quote: If lying about giving reasons for sending a bunch of kids to die and wrecking an entire country is no big deal to you, then you have bigger problems.

Where'd I say that?

In fact, apart from my few posts with GePap, I haven't posted any real opinions at all in this thread.

	05-07-2005 06:59									#111
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That's because you're totally clueless.

	05-07-2005 07:00									#112
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Right...

Everyone who hasn't posted in this thread is clueless.

	05-07-2005 07:01									#113
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Now you're off in left field.

Can't even grasp the concept.

	05-07-2005 07:03									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Now you're off in left field. Can't even grasp the concept.

Even though your apparent goal since the election has been to be as far in left as possible?

	05-07-2005 07:09									#115
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I could care less whether some sheltered kid thinks I'm right, left, center, or upside down.


The reason you're clueless is that you're focusing on the election and Bush as some kind of political right/left crap. The whole issue of what we are doing in Iraq is going right over your head. If Bush wasn't the President of the United States, he could be held on war crimes for what he did. The ONLY reason he isn't is because he has the US protecting him.

The magnitude of what is going on, you're completely obvlious to. You want to sum it up according to right and left politics or whatever stupid political roundtable talk show you're watching this week. It goes way beyond that, and way beyond an election.

Some day you will understand.

I'm very flattered though that you are following me around in every thread and keeping a running summary of me, though.


Awww

	05-07-2005 07:09									#116
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quote: I could care less whether some sheltered kid thinks I'm right, left, center, or upside down.

Ditto for some random IT guy whose **** weighs more than his brain (not that that says much).

	05-07-2005 07:13									#117
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You can say that, but as much as you follow me around all the time, your actions say something else.

My dick is pretty heavy though.

	05-07-2005 07:14									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker You can say that, but as much as you follow me around all the time, your actions say something else.

What can I say, I like easy marks.

	05-07-2005 07:14									#119
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	05-07-2005 07:15									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker What can I say, I like easy marks.

I like a real man too, not someone who can't stand on their own two feet and take responsibility for what they said.