01-07-2005 02:38									#1
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1300bc

The Ordered Post

Population: 818 000 - 3rd
GNP: 57 million - 6th
Mfg Goods: 32 Megatons - 5th
Land Area: 10 100 sq miles - 4th

Life Expectancy: 20 years - 6th
Military Service: 12 years - 1st

"Interior"

Grim Death (swords 4/4) - fort in The Furnace

First Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5) - 9,2
Rally point Bloodhue 2

Double Edge (swords 4/4) - 3
Rally point Bloodhue 2

Bloodseeker (swords 4/4) - north
Rally point Bloodhue 2

Bone Crusher (swords 3/3) - 7
Rally point Bloodhue 2

Bloodletter (swords 3/5) - 7

Bataar (warrior 5/5) - 4
to barracks for upgrading

Skull Splitter (warrior 3/3) - 9,6,8
to Bloodview for upgrading

Bohkara Settler -

Bob (worker) - irrigate

Bubba (worker) - road to 7

Martha (worker) - roads

Gertrude (worker) - road to 3

John Boy (worker) - road

"Army Group East"

moves 4

Cavalry
Bongolian Royal Red Guards (horseman 4/4)
13th Horse Guards (horseman 4/4)
Red Roughrider (horseman 4/4)
Fire Hoof (horseman 4/4)

Infantry
Col. Iron Jackson's Long Blades (swords 4/4)
Col. Earthworm's Devourer of Light (swords 4/4)
Col. Rubychaser's Wanderers (swords 3/3)
Cardial Crusher (swords 4/4)
Hammerhead (swords 3/3)
Scarface (swords 4/4)

Col. Gramps Far Striker (archer 4/4)
Bloodshaft (archer 4/4)
Miss Watcher (spearwoman 3/3)
Redwench (spearwoman 4/4)
Hot Lips (spearwoman 4/4)

Horde Long Eyes (scout) - 2
looking for possible DR troops sneaking around

Ljubes Heavy Brigade"

Brigadier Gen. Ljubes Mjolnir (horseman 4/4) - 7,7
Second Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5)
Shadow of Doubt (horseman 4/4)
Stormbringer (horsewoman 3/4)
Col. Rcoutme's Royal Racers (horseman 4/4)

"Strike Force Napster"

rally point Bloodview 9,6

Slicers and Dicers (swords 3/3) - there
Shadow Striker (swords 4/4) - on their way
Bone Crusher (swords 3/3) - on their way

"The Black Watch Brigade"

moves 4,9

Khan's Own Faithfuls (horseman 4/4)
Col. Dialectic's Black Lightning (horseman 5/5)
Col. Plato's Soothsayer's Savages (horseman 5/5)
Col. Makahlua's Eingana Princesses (horsewoman 4/4)
Storm Hoof (horseman 5/5)

"Unit Audit"

Ancient Cavalry 3/2/2 = 2

Horse 2/1/2 = 13

Swordsmen 3/2/1 = 12

Spearwomen 1/2/1 = 3

Archer 2(1)/1/1 = 2

Warriors 1/1/1 = 3

Scouts = 1

Workers = 5

Settler = 1

"Our Towns"

"Khan's Blood Hall" pop 8 - horsemen in 1
Barracks
Growth in 8 turns

"Ta-Tu" pop 3 - horsewoman in 7
Barracks
Growth in 1 turns

"Bokhara" pop 2 - horseman in 8
Barracks
Growth in 5 turns

"Bloodview" pop 5 - horseman in 2
Barracks
Growth in 4 turns
Build queue unit, settler, unit, unit, settler, unit... etc

"Bloodhue" pop 2 - horseman in 23
Barracks
Growth in 9 turns

"Filiolus Ala" pop 3 - settler in 9
Growth in 7 turns

"Red River Hill" pop 1 - warrior in 5
Growth in - turns

"The Furnace" pop 2 - barracks in 17
Growth in 7 turns

"Bloodfort" pop 1 - settler in 29
Growth in 9 turns

"Statue of Zeus"

Third Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5) - 3 turns

Tech Reseach

Research off.

Treasury

Income 68
from cities +57
from Taxman +2
from other civ +9

Expenses 40
entertainment -14
corruption -14
maintenance -6
unit costs -6

Science Slider at 0%
Luxury Slider at 30%

Trade Negotiations

A-M will currency send it this turn

We send it to Babs

Babs send bonus tech to us and Bards

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Last edited by Paddy the Scot on 09-07-2005 at 04:14

	01-07-2005 02:41									#2
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name for city built near FA Bloodfort ?

	01-07-2005 02:43									#3
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Bloodfart

	01-07-2005 02:48									#4
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that sounds like a pretty bad medical condition

you should go see your doctor !

	01-07-2005 17:39									#5
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Do we require A-M to scout Antioch this turn?

	01-07-2005 17:42									#6
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I think so, the alternative is to do a probe-attack with horsemen.

	01-07-2005 17:45									#7
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cheers mate

edit: request made as follows

confirmed, please establish embassy, then please take pic of inner sanctum, then investigate antioch, and please take a pic of that as well.

further edit: seems they already have embassy from a while ago

Last edited by Paddy the Scot on 01-07-2005 at 17:53

	01-07-2005 18:14									#8
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Good, I always prefer to attack with proper intel


I promised to write down my thoughs didn't I? Here's a map regarding this turn.

H is where our stack will be.
I is likely places for surviving immortals from invictus.

What we do this turn will largely depend in intel from A-M. I foresee 4 alternatives.
1) Antioch gone...
2) Antioch lightly defended
3) Antioch medium defended
4) Antioch heavy defended.

If 2) we attack with horsemen (4,2) , move stack to H3 and pillage x south of stack. H3 is roaded meaning we can move our entire stack into the city next turn and attack immortals at I2 in case babolyn fail to take aquarius.

If 3) We attack with horsemen (4,2) Move stack to H2 and pillage both x with horses. As long as we move to H2 we *have* to pillage both x. Next turn we can attack with surviving horses and swords but we have to raze the city if the immortals can be at I2 . As an alternative we can also move the stack to H3 instead of H2. We save one horse for pillaging that way but lose defensive bonus from the hill.

If 4)....Should Antioch be so well defended we cannot take it even with 2 turns of attacking, we should simply make a run for it, to H8

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	01-07-2005 18:28									#9
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Thank you General

	01-07-2005 19:02									#10
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Feel to free to make suggestions for improvements to this plan btw. I am known to make the odd oversight...


DR seems to be happy about us moving 2 btw?

	01-07-2005 19:10									#11
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So they are saying on public threads

Aqua rang me several times today, seeing if we would talk peace
the messages are interesting...

	01-07-2005 22:07									#12
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2 was a good move then

	01-07-2005 22:22									#13
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Desolation Row feel that they have 15 units that could smash our Army Group East stack

they want peace and the following:

they will not attack us
they will let us leave
they will give us Republic now

we just leave
we are not to share republic with Babylon

they are willing to have an admin look through their save, and agree that 15 (yet to be specified) units can attack us this turn

I would like a list and numbers of said units, not much use if 15 warriors are taunting me.

	01-07-2005 23:13									#14
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Moonbars says:
seem to be having problems with multi-user chats
Moonbars says:
ever had that with Trill before?

Aqua has been added to the conversation.

Moonbars says:
yay!
Moonbars says:
not sure what that was all about
Aqua says:
ok, here we are then
Aqua says:
paddy, you there?
Paddy says:
hello
Aqua says:
qua says:
well as I said.....is there a way we can avoid a battle this turn?
Paddy says:
I will let you talk
Aqua says:
we would like peace
Aqua says:
we are prepared not to attack your stack on our grassland this turn if you agree to move away

Aqua says:
for Moons benefit
Moonbars says:
ooook! I can't read that font colour mate, bit of colourblindess
Moonbars says:
cheers Chief
Aqua says:
the blue?
Moonbars says:
yes
Aqua says:
paddy....can you change?
Moonbars says:
Paddy's blue (looks green to me, but hey
Paddy says:
why
Moonbars says:
colour blindness mate
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
how is that
Aqua says:
thats why he attacked you....thought it was euphorica
Aqua says:
lol
Moonbars says:
ah, much better my friend
Moonbars says:
lol, indeed!
Paddy says:

Moonbars says:
it IS hard for me to tell some of the civs apart
Aqua says:
anyway, as we were saying
Aqua says:
Moons, you'd better do this
Paddy says:
Greetings great Lords
Aqua says:
Greetings Khan
Moonbars says:
hi Mr Khan
Paddy says:
How may I help?
Moonbars says:
So, you've got a big stack
Moonbars says:
a few swords, lots of 1 defense horsies, and 2 vet spears, sitting unfortified on the grass
Paddy says:
so we all see
Moonbars says:
in DR territory
Moonbars says:
in range of about 15 immortals
Paddy says:
in range of 15 immortals are they - right
Moonbars says:
indeed sir
Paddy says:
and...
Paddy says:
I am listening
Moonbars says:
we'll offer to not use this force on your stack, as it does I admit mean leaving Aquarious rather open to those other guys
Moonbars says:
er, actually it's not 15 immortals, it's 15 total attack units. including horsies.
Moonbars says:
all you have to do is accept a peace deal now and leave us to the babylonians and euphoricans
Paddy says:
why?
Moonbars says:
we think we can do a fair whack of damage to that stack, and hence leave you the weakear of the two teams still in your alliance
Paddy says:
you really think that is all of the Horde do you?
Moonbars says:
no of course not.
Aqua says:
but distance means time
Moonbars says:
and 15 dead units is no good to you unless they are ours
Paddy says:
is that right
Moonbars says:
not unless your plan is to let Babylon win, no
Paddy says:
I do not follow your logic...
Aqua says:
meaning you don't really want to lose 15 units do you?
Paddy says:
(Paddy offers some Rosemount Cab Sav 2001)
Aqua says:
because that would make other teams stronger than you
Moonbars says:
your stack is weak on defense, our strength is on the attack. we have already shown readyness to tackle a superior force on a mountain, we are more than willing to face yours on a grassland
Paddy says:
You have had the save a number of hours, one expects you have (in theory) tried this already
Aqua says:
excuse me?
Moonbars says:
i hope the horde is not "testing" it's saves
Moonbars says:
we certainly are not
Paddy says:
you have the save, you would have looked at our stack then looked at yours and done the numbers
Paddy says:
the theory
Moonbars says:
we have had the save for hours becuase we wished to play it together
Aqua says:
Mate, I have just got home from dinner and opened the save
Aqua says:
moons was waiting for me to play it together
Paddy says:
testing - I never said that
Aqua says:
ok
Aqua says:
moving alon
Paddy says:
accuse of tyhat and shove off
Aqua says:
along
Moonbars says:
I see, by "in theory" you mean simulator spreadsheet
Moonbars says:
it reads as if you say we have actually played it to see what happens
Moonbars says:
becuase of the brackers
Moonbars says:
brackets
Aqua says:
seems he didn't mean that, so let's move on
Aqua says:
so yes, we have looked at the save and we know the relative unit numbers
Paddy says:
ok, I will leave you two to your acusations
Moonbars says:
?
Aqua says:
we would prefer though not to attack if you will discuss peace
Paddy says:
you accuse me, then you suddenly can move on...
Moonbars says:
"tried this already" very clearly says, grammatically, that we have do it already - it is a misunderstanding you have corrected, it was to our eyes you who accused us of cheating, we reacted with more levelness than you have just shown over being accused of accusing us
Paddy says:
what
Paddy says:
Moonbars says:
i hope the horde is not "testing" it's saves
Aqua says:
can we stop arguing about things that haven't been said and get to the real issue
Paddy says:
you ask me to discuss, then this...
Moonbars says:
read your line again - " You have had the save a number of hours, one expects you have (in theory) tried this already"
Moonbars says:
then my counter that that is not what we do in DR...
Paddy says:
in theory means what?
Aqua says:
one expects you have (in theory) tried this already

Moonbars says:
play the save, again and again, before sending it on
Aqua says:
that is what you said paddy....if we misinterpreted it then sorry
Paddy says:
you have no idea of the upcoming battle? I am confused
Aqua says:
now can we move on?
Moonbars says:
paddy - exactly - "In theory" is not a defined concept, it is vague and open to interpetation
Paddy says:
ok.
Paddy says:
I am listening.
Moonbars says:
hence the confusion
Moonbars says:
ok
Aqua says:
good, thank you
Moonbars says:
cool, good to see we can work at least some of our misunderstandings and problems out without swords
Moonbars says:
we were discussing peace before the destruction of the Euphorican stack
Moonbars says:
we offered Republic for peace
Moonbars says:
that still stands, but we also let you withdraw that stack and save it from suffering a serious, but I admit not knockout, strike
Paddy says:
...
Aqua says:
what else would you ask of us?
Paddy says:
I am listening
Paddy says:
honestly I am
Aqua says:
if there is a chance to accept, please state what it needs
Moonbars says:
that is pretty much all we need - withdraw the stack next turn
Paddy says:
you are in a rush to finish this discussion ?
Moonbars says:
we'll send republic over now
Aqua says:
not at all, no
Moonbars says:
I would prefer if you'd not give it to the babylonians..
Moonbars says:
or any team that would pass it to them
Moonbars says:
but it would be upto you
Paddy says:
hmmm
Moonbars says:
I dont know how far away your alliance is from Republic, or who is researching it (if any)
Moonbars says:
the problem is the time - we need to know this turn, as it effects what we do with the babyloians.
Paddy says:
I imagine it does
Moonbars says:
Paddy, I do not know what happened with The Tapdancing Desolate Dave - My foreign policy before my absence was to be allies with the horde, the two great tribes, and crush the others. I dont know what happened when I was away, or who said what, and to be honest I dont know if it made any difference to anything. I'd really like to be at the Horde's side
Paddy says:
Desolator Dave is History
Moonbars says:
indeed!
Paddy says:
a great item to bring out when chatting on public threads
Moonbars says:
a clever double-meaning sentence there
Moonbars says:
wonder what happened to Sally though, I didn't like Aqua's ending.
Paddy says:
hehehe
Moonbars says:
does the offer have any chance of getting past a Horde vote?
Paddy says:
damn cheeky of Aqua to hijack your story
Paddy says:
Yes, our teams should have been closer earlier
Moonbars says:
lol, agreed. Opposite sides of the map, stonking UUs.. would have been a good fight
Paddy says:
still can be
Aqua says:
yes, don't know why it wasn't the case
Aqua says:
though you seemed to decide on that quite early
Paddy says:
discussions were started with all who would chat covering a multitude of scenarios
Paddy says:
DR rebuffed us a great many times
Paddy says:
a Multitude of scenarios
Paddy says:
what you see here today is but one, and one that was not suggested by the Horde
Moonbars says:
it was unforunate I had to leave when I did - Aqua was basically running the whole show at that point, he didn't have a huge amount of time to do it either. It;s also not much fun being a DG team and u r the only active member..
Moonbars says:
Aye.. I have been wondering where the 3-way came from
Paddy says:
I understand
Paddy says:
Been in that situation in the Viking Demo Game - for many months.
Aqua says:
3 on 1, really?
Aqua says:
bad stuff
Moonbars says:
Euphorica, they fell out with us becuase we wanted to scout the neutral land above their territory - we sat next to one of their empty cities and never attacked it, promised them we meant no harm, just passing through as they happened to settle a city in our way..
Moonbars says:
Babylon.. always very silient and speak few words
Aqua says:
yes, I remember that well
Paddy says:
we had an option to be with you, and all others to wipe out Vampires...
Moonbars says:
I imagine the alliance was their idea
Paddy says:
a good old fashion night stalker hunt
Aqua says:
lol
Paddy says:
your team would not discuss
Aqua says:
well we were discussing things with Plato I recall, but things went slowly
Paddy says:
5 on 1 then
Aqua says:
I certainly don't remember discussing iping out the Vampires though
Paddy says:
Plato was not Ambassador then
Paddy says:
I am talking early in the game
Aqua says:
oh, then who was?
Aqua says:
hmmm
Moonbars says:
better overrun by horde horses or desolated by a sword than have your blood sucked out
Moonbars says:
We have an issue with Plato
Paddy says:
indeed
Paddy says:
oh
Paddy says:
well you have cut to the top now.
Aqua says:
lol
Aqua says:
we hope
Moonbars says:
we find him very annoying to speak with, he takes an AGE to actually say anything
Moonbars says:
lol, yes!
Aqua says:
lol....yeh
Moonbars says:
I think the personality clash Aqua and I have with Plato has been a thorn in our sides
Aqua says:
that is why we got nowhere with discussing an alliance with him....though perhaps by then you were already against us, I do not know
Moonbars says:
Plato is a fine ambassador, but better suited to a posting with a team that enjoys more verbage
Paddy says:
as mentioned in other medium, this Alliance was more puff of smoke until approx 48 hours ago
Moonbars says:
how... concrete is your sign-up to it, is it a problem to pull out of it?
Paddy says:
a signature means nothing if other signatures play games
basically you have a funny looking document that has scribble on it
Moonbars says:
remind me not to buy a car from you
Aqua says:
It seems you are not happy with the actions of your so-called allies
Moonbars says:
so.. do u think a peace is possible?
Paddy says:
I am listening.
Moonbars says:
if you need to vote on it, perhaps a cease-fire is more appropriate
Paddy says:
so far if I have this correct
you will not attack us
you will let us leave
you will give us Republic (when by the way???)

and we just leave

is that right so far?
Aqua says:
we have republic now
Aqua says:
that is right....so far
Moonbars says:
Offer is: we give u republic this turn - and do not attack your force this turn - you remove it from our territory next time u have the save, and do not share your knoeldge of Republix with the RELIGIOUS babylonians
Aqua says:
we are still discussing, are we not?
Paddy says:
oh yes, you have 15 immortals... no, 15 units ready to attack us
Moonbars says:
yeah
Paddy says:
can you supply proof of your 15 immortals , sorry 15 units ready to attack
Moonbars says:
what do you want to see?
Paddy says:
15 immortals all smiling
Paddy says:
sorry 15 units
Moonbars says:
I cannot show asnything until we have a verified deal
Paddy says:
it is very hard, because I would need to know they did not just arrive there
Moonbars says:
the deal would of course be void if we didnt come up with the proof
Paddy says:
bluff and counter bluffetc etc etc
Paddy says:
Ask Aqua, I am happy to open a bottle of whiskey when these beers are finished, and then we can get into this discussion.
Aqua says:
lol
Aqua says:
damn I need a drink now
Paddy says:
(passes a iced cold Crownie)
Aqua says:
thanks mate
Paddy says:
I love this month
Aqua says:
how come?
Aqua says:
July - too bloody cold...I'm freezing my nuts off here
Paddy says:
I get old this month
Aqua says:
ah......40
Paddy says:

Paddy says:
surely
Aqua says:
you young turk
Paddy says:
thank you.
Aqua says:
just
Paddy says:
ahh these things happen
Aqua says:
Paddy, if we nut out something here, do you have to go back to the Horde for a vote or can you decree as the Great Khan?
Moonbars says:
sorry, somebody at door
Moonbars says:
back now
Paddy says:
Aqua, a bit of both
Aqua says:
ok
Aqua says:
cos as you will understand, it affects how we play the turn
Paddy says:
I imagine
Moonbars says:
what proff would u find acceptable
Moonbars says:
proof even
Paddy says:
hehe
Paddy says:
So do you have a solution on how to provide proof?
Aqua says:
poof?
Moonbars says:
proof
Paddy says:
be nice Aqua
Aqua says:
proof of what? You guys are losing me
Aqua says:
sorry Khan
Aqua says:

Paddy says:
thank you
Paddy says:
are yuou up to speed on the proof
Moonbars says:
not sure what to offer as proof - dont want to show u screenshots unless we black big bits out, can't give u the password..
Paddy says:
any other ideas
Paddy says:
you are both highly intelligent blokes
Moonbars says:
well.. we could let the admins look
Moonbars says:
we could ask them "please open the DR save, and confirm.." but not of course pass on the exact details of where these units are, etc, only that they are attack units and that they can hit ur stack this turn
Paddy says:
hmmm
Moonbars says:
sorry, give me 2 mins
Moonbars says:
trying to goto a party and rally my home boys
Moonbars says:
also need to submit a beta-test list for Ultra Corps
Paddy says:
the admins would have to have very clear and agreed to instructions
Moonbars says:
of course, but it has to preserve our fog of war - I don't want them to publish a list of all 15 units, their locations & health, etc.. only go on agreed paramaters -> more than 3 hp, can attack your stack next round, etc
Moonbars says:
you'd have gotten free intel it should have cost you an intelligence agency and a lot of gold to get
Paddy says:
I do not want them to publish anything
Moonbars says:
ah, OK - just verify our claim
Paddy says:
I do not want free intel
Moonbars says:
we are in agreement on that matter then
Paddy says:
no
Paddy says:
we are discussing the matter
Paddy says:
again, is there a rush?
Paddy says:
if there is a rush, please let me know now
I will get some bundy out
Moonbars says:
I mean that we are in agreement over how proof could be given via the admins - no full disclosure, etc
Aqua says:
lol
Aqua says:
now thats what I need, bundy
Paddy says:
we are starting to agree on the issues that an admin would need to look at etc
Moonbars says:
I have to get some dinner & go out within the next 2 1/2 hours, but that's all.
Paddy says:
I would like a list and numbers of said units
not much use if 15 warriors are taunting me.
Moonbars says:
you want a break-down of what the units are?
Paddy says:
yes
Moonbars says:
ah, not sure that's a go-er.. how about a list of units "that are not warriors"
Moonbars says:
that would bring us down below 15
Paddy says:
a list
Moonbars says:
not willing to disclose how many horsies we have
Paddy says:
a list that the admin agrees is there and can atack the Army Group East that you clearly can see.
Paddy says:
we would be leaviung
Paddy says:
it would be confidential business between us
Moonbars says:
but you do not see the list - only the admins?
Paddy says:
wjhat use is that
Paddy says:
means nothing if I have no idea
Paddy says:
could be 8 reg spearmen
Moonbars says:
I am not going to give you a list of all or units
Paddy says:
or 12 archers
Aqua says:
so we need to tell you exaclty what units we have?
Paddy says:
you want me to leave
Moonbars says:
we can use paramaters -
Moonbars says:
admins dont tell you what the units are, only that they can attack next turn, have more than 3 hp, and are not archers or warriors or spears
Paddy says:
3 hp spears are not scarey
Moonbars says:
I just said exluding spears
Paddy says:
so I see
Paddy says:
you have asked me here, I have listened
Paddy says:
I ask this.
Paddy says:
We are not playing $50 poker
Paddy says:
This is war of Nations
Moonbars says:
are you saying there should be no bluffing?
Paddy says:
not at all
Paddy says:
Just that you ask me to leave right?
Moonbars says:
was pivking that up form poker reference - a game of bluffs
Paddy says:
and that you can maul me
Moonbars says:
yes
Paddy says:
and then you could win"""""
Moonbars says:
we can attack you and i'd imagine we'd do a fair bit of damage, but we cannot destroy your whole stack, no
Paddy says:
yet you want me to take my army and go home safely with tech Republic
Moonbars says:
win the game?
Paddy says:
the battle
Moonbars says:
we would still be 2v1
Moonbars says:
destroy your stack once it withdraws?
Paddy says:
all just numbers in the clouds at the moment
you can see my units
yours are all imaginary at the moment
Moonbars says:
true
Moonbars says:
such is war.. we don't know for sure that u dont have a second stack in the fog, comprised of nasty ACs
Paddy says:
you offer to prove your units, but only just prove that you have some units of unknown type...
Paddy says:
a tad dodgey
Paddy says:
Lord Moonbars, can we stop for 1 moment
Moonbars says:
15 is our max. It included warriors and spears.
Moonbars says:
the total without those unit types is less
Moonbars says:
it's therefore a max of 13 "good" units, as we must have at least one spear and one warrior.
Moonbars says:
if this deal doesn't come off, I can garantee that you cannot take antioch, nor the babylonians Aquarious, this next turn. unless u have troops we cannot see, and in numbers. I can further garantee (and prove) that depending where u stack moves, the units from Mount Mass can reach it and attack it in 2 turns, or can boulster Antoich in 2 turns
Moonbars says:
I assume the Euphoricans have shared the number of cats & spears we had in that theatre with you, and u can see the surviving immortals and horses from the battle reports
Moonbars says:
Apologies Paddy, didn't see you Stop request Busy looking at my keys and typing
Paddy says:
I do the same.
Paddy says:
ok, Moonbars, if you were in my shoes, would you blindly accept that there are 15 unknown units there?
Moonbars says:
no
Moonbars says:
not asking you to - admins
Paddy says:
yes you are asking me to
Paddy says:
you will not tell the unit types
Moonbars says:
I have offered to tell u the unit types in a range
Moonbars says:
i.e. "there are 26 horse and immortals"
Paddy says:
mate, in the 15...
Moonbars says:
but not "there are 4 horse and 22 immortals"
Paddy says:
I have 3 Ancient Cavalry
Moonbars says:
Yes, I am using other numbers to mask the info
Paddy says:
no use playing games
Moonbars says:
we know, we;ve been counting since the wonder built, thought it was 4 actually
Paddy says:
was talking in a stack along with 9 swords, 2 spears and a number of horse
Paddy says:
but woop wang
Paddy says:
they are not here are they
Paddy says:
we are discussing the 15 units you threaten me with
Moonbars says:
I dunno
Paddy says:
well then time comes to a slow halt
Moonbars says:
i mean "I dunno" if ur other stack is here or not
Paddy says:
maybe you and Aqua need to have a chat
Moonbars says:
i canny see it the no
Aqua says:
I am here
Moonbars says:
now
Paddy says:
do yousee the other stack
Moonbars says:
no
Paddy says:
so, not relevant
Paddy says:
can we focus on the Fifteen again please
Aqua says:
depends how close it is
Aqua says:
ok
Paddy says:
do you want to talk amogst your selves while I find a nice bott;le
Aqua says:
no, we don't need to mate
Moonbars says:
what do we need to tell u about the 15 units, what would satisfy you?
Aqua says:
we cannot make peace between ourselves
Paddy says:
a list of the units that can attack
Paddy says:
ie: 1 warrior
9 horse
4 immortals

etc etc
Moonbars says:
therein we have a dilema
Moonbars says:
we want peace, and we want to avoid sacrificing our city of Aquarius to the Babylonians, and we do not want to let you know exactly how many units and of what type we have that can reach your stack this turn, because if you then decline the peace, you have a massive advantage
Moonbars says:
sacrifce city as need to move it's defenders, which are all vet immortals
Paddy says:
I think you miss your own point from earlier

none of this would happen unless we agreed that we are both to do it etc
Paddy says:
so how would I know you unit strength if we are not doing it
Aqua says:
is there an alternative?
Aqua says:
another offer perhaps?
Paddy says:
was your idea
Moonbars says:
I assumed you'd base your answer on the number of immortals versus warriors/horses etc
Moonbars says:
i.e. you'd look at the list and say "too weak, i'll risk it"
Paddy says:
assumptions not helpful, especially when we are all here
Moonbars says:
dont understand
Moonbars says:
not had my dinner must be getting a bit brain mashed
Aqua says:
seems to me we are placing ourselves entirely in your hands Paddy. We give you a list of units, you look at it and decide whether to continue your attack....we are disadvantaged even further
Paddy says:
I would not get list unless all was agreed to
Aqua says:
ok
Moonbars says:
but why would you *need* to see the list from the admins, if u had agreed?
Paddy says:
so we know we not being bluffed
Paddy says:
1 moment
Moonbars says:
but the admins confirmed the truth?
Moonbars says:
ok, let's look at another possibility.. Would a second tech in addition to Republic be a sweetener to remove your stack and secure peace?
Paddy says:
I asked for a moment while I typed


Paddy says:
is that too much to ask
Moonbars says:
no
Moonbars says:
I had assumed u had gone to the toilet
Paddy says:
I was typing
Paddy says:
please
Moonbars says:
as you were not shown as "paddy is tpying a message" on my status bar
Paddy says:
1. DR will not attack Horde
2. DR will let us leave
3. DR will give us Republic now
4. Horde just leave
5. Horde are not to share republic with Babylon
6. a list of the "15 units" prepared by DR, that can attack Horde stack this turn
7. DR allow admisn to look over positions of units
8 .
Paddy says:
sorry not finished
Paddy says:
does not materr
Paddy says:
I am doing you r work
Paddy says:
you want peace
Paddy says:
you rebuff my request for list of units
Paddy says:
I do not need to know where they are
Paddy says:
just a list of units, and have the admins agree that list can attack
Paddy says:
simple
Paddy says:
if you are true then we leave
Paddy says:
if you are false then we know
Paddy says:
so if list true, we leave and no one knows list
Paddy says:
you then move troops
Paddy says:
so what
Moonbars says:
but I offered that about an hour ago
Paddy says:
if you false then so what
Paddy says:
you agree to supply a list
Moonbars says:
i have lost you, dont understand
Paddy says:
just a list of units, and have the admins agree that list can attack
Aqua says:
are you saying you agree with all this, or are you saying you don't like it?
Paddy says:
that would be number 9 or 10 to abopve list
Paddy says:
do you agree
Aqua says:
that is what we offered, so yes
Aqua says:
unless there is something else you would prefer, as we said
Paddy says:
so you will supply me a list
Moonbars says:
no, we said we would supply the *admins* a list, and access to prove it
Paddy says:
so you will supply me a list
Paddy says:
no
Paddy says:
mate
Paddy says:
come on
Moonbars says:
but what do u want?
Moonbars says:
i really dont understand
Paddy says:
just a list of units, and have the admins agree that list can attack
simple
if you are true then we leave
if you are false then we know
so if list true, we leave and no one knows list
you then move troops
so what

Moonbars says:
at a loss to understand
Moonbars says:
but we already offered that
Moonbars says:
I do not follow the current problem
Paddy says:
no you have not
Moonbars says:
yes I have
Paddy says:
we need that list, otherwise all this is just fluff
Moonbars says:
it was my origianl idea paddy, I first moved to use the admins
Paddy says:
good
Paddy says:
and again, will I also see the list?
Paddy says:
you say yes. then no
Paddy says:
I am going swimming soon, this is boring
Moonbars says:
too right
Paddy says:
Friday night wasted
Moonbars says:
That's what I was thinking
Paddy says:
thank you both, h0ope you got your laughs
Paddy says:
truth is out there
Moonbars says:
shut up mate, you better be joking
Paddy says:
I see yours
Aqua says:
Well if you would for once tell us what you need for peace it might be easier
Moonbars says:
I dont think that's funny
Moonbars says:
not funny at all
Moonbars says:
good bye
Aqua says:
all you ever do is listen, never suggest

Moonbars has left the conversation.

Aqua says:
ah forget it, you are just impossible to deal with mate
Paddy says:
me
Paddy says:
ha
Paddy says:
I only asked for a copy of list
Paddy says:
if list honest so what
Paddy says:
we leaving anyway then
Aqua says:
what, so you can sit there in your high throne and decide to attack us anyway?
Paddy says:
no
Paddy says:
are you mad
Aqua says:
no, but I think you are
Paddy says:
if you give us list and list honest we had already agreed to leave
Paddy says:
simple
Paddy says:
gone
Paddy says:
not deciding anything - done - gone etc
Paddy says:
I told you I am having drinks
Aqua says:
it's just too hard to negotiate with you. If you don't want peace, then we are wasting our efforts
Paddy says:
why
Aqua says:
do you want peace?
Paddy says:
you send list only after we have agreed to leave if admins agree list is honest
Paddy says:
yes
Aqua says:
and what does this list have to say?
Paddy says:
mate... units and numbers is all of the "15"
Paddy says:
what does it matter if we have it if you telling the truth and we already leaving
Aqua says:
you are not the only enemy out there
Paddy says:
and we are not going to share it
Aqua says:
how do we know?
Paddy says:
and 1 - 2 moves later uyou can move
Paddy says:
You want the peace
Aqua says:
I will talk to moonbars
Paddy says:
Bring him back in here please
Aqua says:
we are both pretty annoyed at being teamed up against, especially when your people play politics and say ridiculous things
Aqua says:
he is offline now , nothing I can do for now
Paddy says:
4.19am here mate
Aqua says:
and I must go to bed - big day tomorrow
Paddy says:
really
Aqua says:
turn will have to wait I'm afraid
Aqua says:
sorry
Paddy says:
spot you latyer then

Last edited by Paddy the Scot on 01-07-2005 at 23:20

	01-07-2005 23:22									#15
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The above got very intense in the last 15 minutes

basically I asked that they put up or shut up...

and they will not...

my error for even chatting with them...

my time may be done.

	02-07-2005 00:31									#16
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they are definitely bluffing here, maybe they can have such numbers available to attack in 2 turns but definitely not this turn.

	02-07-2005 02:05									#17
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All the more reason to do an exact calculation in accordance with Bongo's formula. Will report it later.

I will take 15 into account.

	02-07-2005 05:51									#18
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how many turns to rally point Trees at Metallica 2,2,2

this rally point is 5 tiles from Antioch.

Second Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5) - 2 turns
Col. Rcoutme's Royal Racers (horseman 4/4) - 2 turns
Stormbringer (horsewoman 3/4) - there now
Shadow of Doubt (horseman 4/4) - there now

Slicers and Dicers (swords 3/3) - 5 turns
Skull Splitter (swords 3/3) - 5 turns
Bloodseeker (swords 4/4) - 5 turns

Shadow Striker (swords 4/4) - 6 turns
Bone Crusher (swords 3/3)- 6 turns
Bloodletter (swords 3/5) - 6 turns
Grim Death (swords 4/4) - 6 turns

Double Edge (swords 4/4)- 9 turns


Need up-grading to swords...
Bataar (warrior 5/5)

First Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5)
left Barbarian hunting in the north
will bring him down south when Third Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5) comes on line in 4 turns

other possible units coming on line
KBH Horse in 2 - 3 turns = 5 turns (Brigade Rgt 2.)
Bloodview Horse in 3 - 3 turns = 6 turns (Brigade Rgt 3.)
Ta-Tu Horse in 7 - 4 turns = 11 turns
Bohkara Horse in 8 - 3 turns = 11 turns
Bloodhue Horse in 10 - 4 turns = 14 turns


summary

Stormbringer (horsewoman 3/4) - there now
Shadow of Doubt (horseman 4/4) - there now

Second Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5) - 2 turns
Col. Rcoutme's Royal Racers (horseman 4/4) - 2 turns

Slicers and Dicers (swords 3/3) - 5 turns
Skull Splitter (swords 3/3) - 5 turns
Bloodseeker (swords 4/4) - 5 turns
KBH Horse in 2 - 3 turns = 5 turns (Brigade Rgt 2.)

Shadow Striker (swords 4/4) - 6 turns
Bone Crusher (swords 3/3)- 6 turns
Bloodletter (swords 3/5) - 6 turns
Grim Death (swords 4/4) - 6 turns
Bloodview Horse in 3 - 3 turns = 6 turns (Brigade Rgt 3.)

Bataar (warrior 5/5) in 4 turns - 4 turns = 8 turns
First Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5)
left Barbarian hunting in the north
will bring him down south when Third Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5) comes on line in 4 turns - 4 turns = 8 turns

Double Edge (swords 4/4)- 9 turns

Ta-Tu Horse in 7 - 4 turns = 11 turns
Bohkara Horse in 8 - 3 turns = 11 turns

Bloodhue Horse in 10 - 4 turns = 14 turns


Total Unit = 19

Horse = 7
Ancient Cav = 3
Swords = 9

Last edited by Paddy the Scot on 02-07-2005 at 07:56

	02-07-2005 06:31									#19
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My calculation showed that if the DR really have 15 units in the area of Antioch, they are mostly spears and warriors.

We know they have 3 horses alive (two vet, one elite at 3/5). We also know they had 4 spears (2 vet, 2 reg) in that stack 8 from Marcopolis and my guess is they moved them to 1 from Invictus. The rest must be immortals and warriors don't know exactly which number, but this calculation was not entirely accurate and cannot account for everything. Let's assume they have 4 immortals and 4 warriors.

	02-07-2005 13:34									#20
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I say any future plans should go on hold now our objective is surely the removal of Aqua's team from the game ASAP!!

If not that then seriously wounded and never able to be a contender again in this game.

Babylon can wait!

i also sugest we seek AM's input though whether this is at all possible remains to be seen!

	02-07-2005 17:12									#21
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so what sayy you on the relief columns?

	02-07-2005 17:15									#22
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The calculation I made has a margin of error of about 10% (pretty big margin). Instead of 4 warriors and 4 immortals, let's assume they have just 4 immortals and another 2 in production, actually produced this turn. That would be a total of:

6 immortals (let's assume 3 reg, 3 vet), 2 vet horses and 1 elite 3/5 horse, 2 vet spears, 2 reg spears and 2 warriors, probably reg.

Let's try to simulate their attack. All 6 immortals would score a kill. That would be 2 spears and 4 vet swords less for us. Then horses, they would kill another regular spear and maybe some of them would also be killed. Finally warriors and spears may also kill another regular sword.

We would lose all spears plus all vet swords and would be left with 9 horses, 2 archers and one regular or vet sword. This army is only capable of attacking Antioch at once in a horse charge and nothing more.

However, this scenario is unlikely as it would leave both Antioch and Aquarius empty.


On the other hand they threatened to attack, claiming that only Aquarius would be put in danger doing that. If there is any truth in what they are saying, that would mean that they have more immortals ready to attack as only immortals are sure to score. Let’s now consider how many units they think would be enough to leave in Antioch to protect it from our horses.

We have 6 vet and 3 elite horses in the stack. A fortified immortal in Antioch would defend with 4.5 according to Krill (I have no idea if this be true. I never do this math.).

Our horse has 30% chance of hitting that immortal. Total number of our hit points is 39. That means that in order for them to have 50% chance of surviving our attack they need to have at least 3 fortified immortals stationed in Antioch.

Bab horses have 43% to hit a fortified immortal in Aquarius. Total number of their hit points is 16. That means that the DR must have 12 hit points worth of immortals inside Aquarius if they wish to have 50% chance of surviving the bab attack.

All this said puts 6 of their immortals inside Antioch and Aquarius and if they don’t have more such units makes their threats to attack hollow.

	02-07-2005 17:20									#23
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Paddy,

Aqua and myself are going to play the turn, it is likely we will not attack your stack.



------------------------------------------


Please know I have had many notes since from Aqua popping up in my msn messnger... he is not happy

	02-07-2005 20:44									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot so what sayy you on the relief columns?

I say send everything we have / can spare and keep sending units until DR is gone once and for all!

A question we should all ask ourselves is do we really want to spend the entire remainder of this game having to listen to aqua ***** and moan all the time

	02-07-2005 23:44									#25
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Please note that the Ordered Post has been updated

"Army Group East" possibly stands in good order with the Desolators having played their turn some hours back and NO Battle Reports posted... yet they know that the Lost Boys will not be playing the save for some time, so in this may feel they can post battle reports later... remember, they are devious

Also you will see below a "Flying Column" that is being sent to join "Army Group East" now. These units are scattered throughout our holdings, and will arrive at different times.

It must also be noted that at this time we are holding our swords at home. These Regiments, along with 2 warrior Regiments that are to be upgraded to swords will be protecting our "Interior." We must look to the fact that with the change of era we will possibly be facing large stacks of barbarians soon.


"Army Group East"

moves...

Bongolian Royal Red Guards (horseman 4/4)
13th Horse Guards (horseman 4/4)
Red Roughrider (horseman 4/4)
Stormhoof (horseman 5/5)
Fire Hoof (horseman 4/4)

Khan's Own Faithfuls (horseman 4/4)
Col. Makahlua's Eingana Princesses (horsewoman 4/4)
Col. Plato's Soothsayer's Savages (horseman 5/5)
Col. Dialectic's Black Lightning (horseman 5/5)
Col. Ljube's Mjolnir (horseman 4/4)

Col. Iron Jackson's Long Blades (swords 4/4)
Col. Rubychaser's Wanderers (swords 3/3)
Hammerhead (swords 3/3)
Cardial Crusher (swords 4/4)
Scarface (swords 4/4)

Col. Gramps Far Striker (archer 4/4)
Bloodshaft (archer 4/4)

Col. Earthworm's Devourer of Light (swords 4/4)
Miss Watcher (spearwoman 3/3)
Redwench (spearwoman 4/4)
Hot Lips (spearwoman 4/4)

Horde Long Eyes (scout) - 2
looking for possible DR troops sneaking around


"The Flying Column"

to Army Group East by fastest possible routes

First Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5)
Second Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5)
Col. Rcoutme's Royal Racers (horseman 4/4)
Shadow of Doubt (horseman 4/4)
Stormbringer (horsewoman 3/4)


"Units coming on line"
KBH build Horse in 2 - 5 turns movement = 7 turns
Bloodview build Horse in 3 - 5 turns movement = 8 turns
SoZ build 3rd Ancient Cav in 4 - 5 turns movement = 9 turns
Ta-Tu build Horse in 7 - 6 turns movement = 13 turns
Bohkara build Horse in 8 - 5 turns movement = 13 turns
SoZ build 4th Ancient Cav in 9 - 5 turns movement = 14 turns
Bloodhue build Horse in 10 - 6 turns movement = 16 turns


"Unit Audit"

Ancient Cavalry 3/2/2 = 4

Horse 2/1/2 = 18

Swordsmen 3/2/1 = 6

Spearwomen 1/2/1 = 3

Archer 2(1)/1/1 = 2

Scouts = 1

Total units involved = 32

Last edited by Paddy the Scot on 03-07-2005 at 00:47

	03-07-2005 01:25									#26
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Greetings Great Lords of Euphorica,

The Horde hereby submit a report of the current situation, up coming plans and a few questions for you to consider.


Desolation Row have played their save. they have been screaming / pleading / tempting / almost begging with us to leave. they offered Republic and another unnamed tech. they said they had 15 immortals ready to pounce on us, then when that was challenged, they admiotted that had 15 units. we stayed! they could not offer anything that would move us from the course. they have since played and NO battle reports at all.

I believe that "Army Group East" possibly stands in good order with the Desolators having played their turn some hours back and NO Battle Reports posted... yet they know that the Lost Boys will not be playing the save for some time, so in this may feel they can post battle reports later... remember, they are devious

As to the roads west of Metalica, are they free, and could you please keep them free? We have reinforcements, as follows, coming through, they will not be coming in a single stack as they have had some duties etc.

"The Flying Column"
to Army Group East by fastest possible routes
First Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5)
Second Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5)
Col. Rcoutme's Royal Racers (horseman 4/4)
Shadow of Doubt (horseman 4/4)
Stormbringer (horsewoman 3/4)

I am also curious about the tiles at Metalica 6 and 6,3. Is there a chance they could have roads built there soon? cheeky of me to ask I know, yet these tiles roaded will allow great troop movement through to the front.

In the coming 5 - 9 turns we would like to get another 8 - 10 fast movers into theatre. The roads would be very helpful to get them there quikly etc, thus keeping massive pressure upon DR. DR must never recover. Never!!!

I am not actually asking for you to send troops now, troops would be great, I was only asking for 2 tiles to be roaded at some stage soon, allowing troops quicker access.

Thus the Horde has 20 Regiments in theatre, and a futher 5 rushing there now, and a further 8 - 10 fast moving Regiments forming now

I thank you for allowing me to present my questions and to present you with my troop reports for what I hope is called "coordination" in the on going War against Desolation Row.

Paddy.

----------------------------------------------------------

The above is a summary of a chat held with McMeadows, as follows.

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McMeadows has been added to the conversation.

Paddy says:
hello to you both
may I have a few minutes with you
Paddy says:
hello
McMeadows says:
what's up?
McMeadows says:
still there? anyone?
Paddy says:
hello
Paddy says:
do you have time for a quick chat on Eod?
McMeadows says:
that's ok
Paddy says:
cool
Paddy says:
DR played their save
Paddy says:
they have been screaming / pleading / tempting / almost begging with us to leave
McMeadows says:
ahh....
Paddy says:
they offered Republic and another unnamed tech
Paddy says:
they said they had 15 immortals ready to pounce on us
Paddy says:
then when that was challenged, they admiotted that had 15 units
Paddy says:
we stayed
Paddy says:
they could not offer anything that would move us from the course
Paddy says:
they have since played and NO battle reports at all


Rhothaerill has left the conversation.

Paddy says:
bye
Paddy says:
"Army Group East" possibly stands in good order with the Desolators having played their turn some hours back and NO Battle Reports posted... yet they know that the Lost Boys will not be playing the save for some time, so in this may feel they can post battle reports later... remember, they are devious

McMeadows says:
was to be expected
McMeadows says:
I couldn't possibly see how they could manage to be at 2 fronts
Paddy says:
well they are in troiuble when Babs attack then
Paddy says:
as to the roads west of Metalica, are they free, and could you please keep them free?
Paddy says:
We have reinforcements coming through
Paddy says:
"The Flying Column"

to Army Group East by fastest possible routes

First Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5)
Second Horse of the Apocalypse (ancient cavalry 5/5)
Col. Rcoutme's Royal Racers (horseman 4/4)
Shadow of Doubt (horseman 4/4)
Stormbringer (horsewoman 3/4)
Paddy says:
they will not be coming in a single stack as they have had some duties etc
McMeadows says:
shouldn't be to many worries
Paddy says:
thank you
McMeadows says:
it seems we're done (EU)
Paddy says:
what do you mean?
Paddy says:
I am also curious about the tiles at Metalica 6 and 6,3
is there a chance they could have roads built there soon
cheeky of me to ask I know, yet these tiles roaded will allow great troop movement through to the front

Paddy says:
Mate, we are allies, you are far from DONE.
Paddy says:
In the coming 5 - 9 turns we would like to get another 8 - 10 fast movers into theatre
Paddy says:
The roads would be very helpful to get them there quikly etc
thus keeping massive pressure upon DR
Paddy says:
DR must never recover
McMeadows says:
I don't think we have any workers available at the moment
Paddy says:
never!!!
McMeadows says:
No indeed, I assume you won't leave a single DR-man alive... voted off the planet
Paddy says:
I would like for you to take this matter up with your council, we have commited to this war and we are commiting many reinforcements
McMeadows says:
Dear ally, I think we've been sticking out our necks more than enough
Paddy says:
We are also interested in hearing of when and what uints you will be sending south again.
Paddy says:
Lord, the war has only just begun.
Paddy says:
have you already finished?
Paddy says:
really?
McMeadows says:
When BOH takes out Antioch and Babs take out Aquarius, the main battles have been fought
Paddy says:
what?
Paddy says:
what of all their other lands?
Paddy says:
what of all their other units
McMeadows says:
Look at your army and those Babs
Paddy says:
they will heal their Immortals and war on, trying to win these lands back
Paddy says:
4 babs
Paddy says:
4 - 5 Babylonian Horsemen
McMeadows says:
back? BURN IT TO THE GROUND
Paddy says:
ok, we burn it... then what? let them rebuild there
McMeadows says:
how will they do that?
Paddy says:
Forgive me my ignorance, but I believed we are at war to remove them.
Paddy says:
They have many cities
Paddy says:
They have many units
McMeadows says:
just a few cities and soon little possibilities for keeping up in producing relevant forces
Paddy says:
I am not actually asking for you to send troops now, troops would be great, I was only asking for 2 tiles to be roaded at some stage soon, allowing troops quicker access.

Paddy says:
so what you say can be true, so why would you not possibly send some troops to help finish the kob
McMeadows says:
which troops?
Paddy says:
I know not, as we have no idea what you have
McMeadows says:
You know what we've lost... and there was a specific reason for you to first move into our homelands,.... as we went with all we had
McMeadows says:
And fortunately we did
Paddy says:
Horde has 20 Regiments in theatre, and a futher 5 rushing there now
and a further 8 - 10 fast moving Regiments forming now
McMeadows says:
as otherwise we wouldn't have made it (together)
Paddy says:
Lord, that was "all you had" quite some time ago
Paddy says:
I am again mainly asking for some tiles to be roaded.
Paddy says:
Yesmy heart would be gladened if you were sending troops as well
Paddy says:
You did loose 10 units I believe in the recent actions
and was it 8 units earlier,
Paddy says:
We are your allies my friewnd
Paddy says:
we came and stoof guard in your lands
Paddy says:
we marched forth with you when requested
Paddy says:
we are in theatre now
Paddy says:
we are commiting over 33 - 35 units
McMeadows says:
Indeed, we played the game of chess together and sacrificed a piece (or 15) to get you in this position
Paddy says:
with more behind them
Paddy says:
cool, so are you saying that your efforts in this war are over then
McMeadows says:
You want us to attack with 3 wounded swordsmen?
Paddy says:
no
McMeadows says:
if they still live
Paddy says:
again I mainly ask for 2 tiles to be roaded
Paddy says:
I do also ask if you have any further plans?
Paddy says:
have you not built any more troops for theis WAR?
Paddy says:
I asked only for a few minutes.
Paddy says:
I thank you for allowing me to present my questions and to present you with my troop repports for what I hope is called "coordination" in the on going War against Desolation Row.

and as toyour injured units, if they live, they will heal
McMeadows says:
We have been foccussing war 100% and need some time to retreat, heal and grow
Paddy says:
indeed, and as your allie, we would like some ideas of your proposed actions
allies
I have again presented you here with some good indications of our actions
Paddy says:
Thank you for your time.
McMeadows says:
ahhh... you're doing the official recording stuffy again
Paddy says:
sorry, is that a problem
McMeadows says:
makes you talk all funny
Paddy says:
yes.
Paddy says:
formal, correct and honest
Paddy says:
We await your team to cocider our questions and reply.
Paddy says:
consider
Paddy says:
would you like a copy
McMeadows says:
Too be honest,... I'm busy with other things at the moment as I told you earlier today and I'm currently the only 1 really available to play the game
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
as I said only wanted a few minutes, and am happy to leave it for you to consider at your leisure
Paddy says:
we are friends mate
McMeadows says:
Because of Rhot's sun & Snoop's holiday we haven't ahd a decent chat all together in a while
Paddy says:
I am not being pushy, just being open and honest
Paddy says:
I understand
McMeadows says:
So there's no real real plan atm
Paddy says:
I also know that both have spare time in both duties to look over matters and form opinions
I am in other games with them both
and both are still activbe each day
Paddy says:
Horde has plans indeed
McMeadows says:
Above is mainly my feeling, but it's a team's game, at least, as soon as the others are available again
Paddy says:
We are doingf them
McMeadows says:
situation is clear however
Paddy says:
thus would you like a copy of above to send to your faraway team mates?
Paddy says:

McMeadows says:
we're not able to commit too many forces. LEaving home with the units we still have doesn't seem to feel all that good
Paddy says:
Mac, I really am not wanting an answer now.
Paddy says:
I would really like a good detailed answer when that can be made availble.
Paddy says:

Paddy says:
So thus no pressure is upon you at this time - NNot now.
Paddy says:
I know you are busy, thus why I did all my prepaeration before opening the window.
Paddy says:
If you had not replied in the coming 30 mins, I was just happily going to send it to you all on an email
Paddy says:
Thus again my friend, no pressure now.
Paddy says:
Would you like me to email this?
McMeadows says:
this conversation?
McMeadows says:
isn't worth much matey
Paddy says:
It is to me, it contains all Horde details and my exact questions?
Paddy says:
35 Regiments is quite alot
Paddy says:
I truely believe we need to coordinate
Paddy says:
I believe that if your team knows what we are commiting then you may, just may, wish to assist us in roading those tiles
Paddy says:
am I wasting my time then?
McMeadows says:
The question regarding the roading has been noted
McMeadows says:
and if possible will be dealt with
Paddy says:
will the others hear my case, or just that question?
McMeadows says:
your case? 35 units?
Paddy says:
all the crap I have bothered to write.
McMeadows says:
hahaha
Paddy says:
thus my case.
Paddy says:
why bother if I did not care
McMeadows says:
summary:
BOH moves units through our lands and request some more roading to facilitate.
BOH is fighting war
EU is retreating and thinking of changing the focus from war to growth
Paddy says:
that be your words. Thank you
Paddy says:
I opened the chat with as many of your team that were on MSN
So as to get my case to as many as possible.
Paddy says:
I ask you to please send this chat to your team.
Paddy says:
I have a meeting to attend with my war council.
Paddy says:
Thank you again for taking this time.
McMeadows says:
I'm sorry for not being all committed to the game and chat atm...
Paddy says:
I understand mate
Paddy says:
be well and enjoy the great race

Last edited by Paddy the Scot on 03-07-2005 at 02:09

	03-07-2005 03:12									#27
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With Bards leaving the TNA and Babylon barely committing and asking for a large share of the spoils, I was wondering if we could use this time to discuss our options in this war. Do we want to press on at all cost no matter what or do we want to have an exit strategy just in case, particularly if the DR would meet certain terms such as tech gifts, gpt tribute and settlers and workers?


I invite the Horde to start the discussion.

	03-07-2005 05:16									#28
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Options? Maybe it is just my American attitude, but the only option for me is VICTORY!

Fight them now while they are weak, or fight them later when they are strong...that is the question?

C'mon Ljube! Let's finish the job together!!!

WE ARE HORDE!!!!!

	03-07-2005 05:32									#29
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Plato did you read the chat above I had with McMeadows?

As much as I want DR finished, I am not sure I like the smell coming from the Bards...

and as much as Dr have Immortals, with the end of the era the Immortals day may be almost over

and with the coming of chivalry we will start to see the day of the chinese rider... the Bards rider, with 3 movement...

a dilema could be approaching...

	03-07-2005 05:53									#30
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All the more reason to strike IMO! If we must face Riders soon, do we want DR Knights riding behind them?

Antioch must be destroyed before there can be a peace that will provide security. Anything short of that and we have a ticking time bomb.

While it is true that the bards may have something up their sleeve, it is equally true that the Horde has a great defensive capability.

We have the units in place...the enemy is damaged...Babylon is in position. We MUST Strike! To do less would be to hurt our cause, not help it!

* PLATO steps off soap box and reaffirms that, although opiniated, he is a team player!!