01-07-2005 08:16									#1
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Does anyone know whether the Delevent program deletes flag information from the save file?

	02-07-2005 01:07									#2
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Interesting... I hadn't thought about that yet.

I just had a look at the events structure in the savegame and it seems the flags are also stored among the events (as a special first event without any actions or triggers). So, yes, that means they also get deleted.

You shouldn't really need Delevent, though, with ToT having such a large amount of memory available for events... Or do you have so many events that it won't even fit inside 100kB (that is, in memory, not the events.txt file)?

	02-07-2005 05:20									#3
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It probably will, since I am trying to allow for as many different outcomes as possible, based on the players performance. And, yes, I am being enigmatic on pupose.
One more question, do alternate files correspond to the alternate scenario chosen by the computer (i.e. events1.txt with Scenario1.alt, events2.txt with Scenario2.alt)?

	05-07-2005 06:30									#4
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Don't know about that... What does the manual or macro.txt say about that?

	05-07-2005 07:17									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Alex Woehr It probably will, since I am trying to allow for as many different outcomes as possible, based on the players performance. And, yes, I am being enigmatic on pupose. One more question, do alternate files correspond to the alternate scenario chosen by the computer (i.e. events1.txt with Scenario1.alt, events2.txt with Scenario2.alt)?

Yes, or is that not enigmatic enough for you?

	08-07-2005 05:56									#6
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Ok, Thanks for your help!

	08-07-2005 12:51									#7
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Can someone help me with this event?

@IF
UnitKilled
unit=Trigger
map=0
attacker=Heros
defender=The Great Evil
@THEN
Flag
continuous
who=United Kingdom
state=on
flag=0
ChangeTerrain
map=1
terraintype=0
maprect
219,181,225,181,225,187,219,187
@ENDIF

@IF
Checkflag
who=United Kingdom
flag=0
state=on
@AND
CheckFlag
who=The Great Evil
mask=0b00000000000000000000000000000011
count=2
state=off
@THEN
JustOnce
Text
Deomras and Wulf finish off the remaining Dunlendians from around Westburnam.
^WULF: "Come, brave woman, behold the Dunlendians fleeing to their camp in
^the north! Let us prevent them from burning villages another day!"
EndText
@ENDIF

The first event apparently is triggered, as indicated by the change in terrain, but the second event never occurs. As far as I can tell, nothing has occurred that could trigger either of the flags in the @AND statement (and I did remember to initialize flags ). Any guesses?

	08-07-2005 18:11									#8
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You have 2 checkflags in the second event. What are the 2 triggers for the two Great Evil flags. Are they both valid events and have they both been triggered?

	08-07-2005 18:48									#9
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Neither of them have been triggered. The CheckFlag makes sure that they are off. The idea is that you start out with two heros, and if one of them dies, one or the other Great Evil flag is triggered, causing a different message to pop up.

	08-07-2005 19:06									#10
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Maybe it's because you're linking 2 checkflags with @AND. Try converting the 2 great evil OFF flags to 2 united kingdom ON flags.

	08-07-2005 21:32									#11
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So, if I'm correct, that means the game engine does not like two triggers of the same nature linked together by @AND? That means I am in REAL trouble. Back to the drawing board...
Thanks for your help!

	09-07-2005 13:50									#12
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Hmmm, I am still having problems, take a look at this:

@IF
UnitKilled
unit=Chieftain
map=0
attacker=Heros
defender=Barbarians
@AND
CheckFlag
who=Heros of Gondor
mask=0b00000000000000000000000011000000
count=2
state=off
@THEN
Text
Blah Blah
EndText
Flag
continuous
who=Heros
state=on
flag=0
CreateUnit
owner=Barbarians
unit=TriggerQ
veteran=no
homecity=none
locations
46,64
endlocations
TakeTechnology
whom=Heros
technology=14
@ENDIF

@IF
UnitKilled
unit=Chieftain
map=0
attacker=Heros
defender=Barbarians
@AND
CheckFlag
who=Heros
mask=0b00000000000000000000000011000000
count=2
state=off
@THEN
Text
Blah Blah Blah
EndText
ChangeTerrain
map=1
terraintype=10
maprect
220,204,226,204,226,210,220,210
@ENDIF

@IF
UnitKilled
unit=Chieftain
map=0
attacker=Heros
defender=Barbarians
@AND
CheckFlag
who=Heros
mask=0b00000000000000000000000011000000
count=2
state=off
@THEN
Text
Blah blah blah blah!
EndText
@ENDIF


For some reason, the first two events are activated, but the third one isn't, even though all three have the same trigger! I still have 33K left in my events heap, so I don't think it is a memory problem. Any ideas?

	10-07-2005 07:54									#13
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Uh-oh! That's not good!

Maybe the remaining stack calculation in debug.txt is not completely accurate.

1. Any chance inserting JustOnce right after @THEN allows all three?
   
2. If you delete virtually all of your other events, do all three triggers work?
   
3. Do you have many Delay modifiers in your events?
   

	10-07-2005 08:35									#14
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quote: 1. Any chance inserting JustOnce right after @THEN allows all three?

The JustOnce modifier has no effect, no matter where it is placed.

quote: 2. If you delete virtually all of your other events, do all three triggers work?

I removed over half of my events, and the third trigger still won't activate.

quote: 3. Do you have many Delay modifiers in your events?

I have nine 2-3 turn delay modifiers, but eight of those were removed in the above experiment (#2).

By the way, great work on EA.

	10-07-2005 08:52									#15
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Unless someone has any better ideas, I am combining the two text messages into one event. However, I have a similiar situation with a different event that won't be as easy to solve, I fear.

	10-07-2005 20:43									#16
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Rats!

Are you wed to the idea of flags? I've found it easier to maintain events code by using technologies instead. ReceivedTechnology is a recurring trigger without the JustOnce modifier.

quote: By the way, great work on EA.

Thanks, but it sure seems easier to give dubious tips to someone else rather than write my own. I need to hunker down and make some serious edits in EAv2 events.

	10-07-2005 22:22									#17
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Are you using lots of @DELAY modifiers? As Catfish has discovered, these can add unexpected but significant memory requirements to your events: http://users.tpg.com.au/jpwbeest/index.htm

	11-07-2005 07:13									#18
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I think I have everything figured out. In the end I had to rely on giving a technology, which isn't good because I am planning on using a pretty substantial tech tree. If I ever release this thing (when it is finished, and it is a long way from that point) I may have to institiute a scrolling tech tree.
Thanks for all of your contributions!

	17-07-2005 08:35									#19
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Is it possible to re-import a map after all four maps have already been loaded?

	17-07-2005 08:51									#20
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Hmmm.... mapedit?

	17-07-2005 10:39									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Alex Woehr Is it possible to re-import a map after all four maps have already been loaded?

Sorry, I can't imagine it's possible, short of a major, complex hex edit.

	17-07-2005 11:18									#22
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Ouch. I guess that's what you get for poor planning. Thanks anyway.

	17-07-2005 21:23									#23
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Yes, you can do it with MapCopy:
http://home.san.rr.com/dustyr/proj.htm

	29-07-2005 05:17									#24
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Missed seeing the dm:n argument during my much-too-brief scan of the readme. Thanks!