08-07-2005 04:07									#1
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http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtr....045138889.html

"SEOUL — A North Korean propaganda film about the repatriation of a spy — Lee In-Mo — who had languished for years in a South Korean prison may have a short shelf life, according to defectors now living in the South.


"What we could not believe in the movie was that Lee and others were conducting hunger strikes in the prison," said one defector about the movie.

"Refusing to eat was a form of resistance in the South? Boy, South Korea must be a paradise. That's what we said among ourselves"
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Many North Korean defectors said their first reaction upon seeing the film was to ask how people could stay in prison for more than 10 years and remain alive? They say few people survive even three years in North Korean political prisons. Being fed three regular meals a day is utterly unimaginable. "

	08-07-2005 05:46									#3
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NK self-pwnage

	08-07-2005 05:48									#4
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Must be the Dear Leader's brainchild

	08-07-2005 07:05									#5
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Like saying fire is hot. It goes without saying.

	08-07-2005 08:07									#6
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We all know how reliable defectors are

	08-07-2005 08:11									#7
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@NK, UR.

	08-07-2005 08:17									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed @NK, UR.

He's as reliable as ever, ain't he?

	08-07-2005 08:31									#9
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Let me remind you of those Iraqi defectors, and how they were all so certain of those nasty, nasty BCN weapons Saddam had.

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And now Syria and/or Iran has. Was that your point?

	08-07-2005 08:46									#11
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand And now Syria and/or Iran has. Was that your point?

No wait a minute. Are you suggesting that the WMDs were there in Iraq, but then sent to Syria and/or Iran? Because if you are, even the administration isn't in agreement with you. They have admitted the WMDs were never there, it was bad intelligence.

If you wanna be the last to cling to a lie, be my guest...

	08-07-2005 09:43									#12
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Don't worry UR, we all know how nice it is in NK

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Reminds me of a story about old Soviet Russia. To depict the decadence and lack of order in the US, they showed footage of all the traffic jams in Los Angeles. However, their audience's reaction was "Wow, everyone in America has their own car!"

	08-07-2005 10:16									#14
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I read a story sometime in the last couple of years on how NK had dropped the minimum height for military recruits from 5' 3" to 4' 9" due to malnutrition in the countryside. During the largely government induced famines in the 1990's thrud today, close to 10% of the population died.

http://www.detnews.com/2004/nation/...ation-63770.htm

http://www.freenorthkorea.net/archi...rea/000429.html

	08-07-2005 11:27									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Don't worry UR, we all know how nice it is in NK

I have no idea how you could miss such an obvious point. It was a 'whoosh' moment for you.

I didn't say it was all peachy and nice in DPRK, I was only saying that defectors don't make reliable information sources.

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Yes, but we're not using them to tell us about the stuff that's in a country, we're judging their response to something in order to determine the NK's response. To compare it to Iraq is absurd.

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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc I read a story sometime in the last couple of years on how NK had dropped the minimum height for military recruits from 5' 3" to 4' 9" due to malnutrition in the countryside. During the largely government induced famines in the 1990's thrud today, close to 10% of the population died. http://www.detnews.com/2004/nation/...ation-63770.htm http://www.freenorthkorea.net/archi...rea/000429.html

So going up agtainst NK would be like going up against a bunch of pre-teens? Hey, if ti ever comes down to a shooting war maybe our side could throw Hostess Twinkie grenades.

	08-07-2005 18:33									#18
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Unfortunately Poison Gas and Nukes don't really require that much size from the grunts. It is estimated, with Seoul within range of NK artillery, that the entire population would be killed within hours of a full-fledged war, aka Red Storm Rising and Clancy's scenario for Central/Eastern Europe and nerve agents. AK47's are used by child soldiers all over the world. I shudder to think what kind of losses those troops would take, though, given all the health and intelligence deficits from that level of malnutrition. It's very sad. It makes one think of Brave New World and the Deltas.

	09-07-2005 02:37									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove So going up agtainst NK would be like going up against a bunch of pre-teens? Hey, if ti ever comes down to a shooting war maybe our side could throw Hostess Twinkie grenades.

If a shooting war breaks out, we can just promise a year supply of twinkies to every soldier that surrenders. Soon they won't have an army to fight with.

	09-07-2005 09:41									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I have no idea how you could miss such an obvious point. It was a 'whoosh' moment for you. I didn't say it was all peachy and nice in DPRK, I was only saying that defectors don't make reliable information sources.

But you were clearly implying it

	09-07-2005 11:29									#21
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When I was there in '93 I couldn't wait to leave.

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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus If a shooting war breaks out, we can just promise a year supply of twinkies to every soldier that surrenders. Soon they won't have an army to fight with.

I dunno, starvation can be pretty hard on the teeth you know. Tossing a year's supply of twinkies at hundred's of thousands of these guys might inflict a dental disaster of biblical porportions.

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I dunno, starvation can be pretty hard on the teeth you know. Tossing a year's supply of twinkies at hundred's of thousands of these guys might inflict a dental disaster of biblical porportions.

So then they could all fly American airlines and get braces in American dentist offices...

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UR:

	10-07-2005 00:26									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 When I was there in '93 I couldn't wait to leave.

So, how was the NK back then? Where'd you go with your handlers?

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I dunno, starvation can be pretty hard on the teeth you know. Tossing a year's supply of twinkies at hundred's of thousands of these guys might inflict a dental disaster of biblical porportions.

In that case, we can open biddings for massive dental work and hire mostly American dental contractors with few tokens from other countries so we can insist the bidding process itself was fair.

	10-07-2005 00:40									#27
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General reaction (intensified as of late) to most of Urban Ranger's posts,

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General reaction to most of Winston's posts:

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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed So, how was the NK back then? Where'd you go with your handlers?

Far as I can tell they haven't changed all that much. I don't think they even knew I was there.