08-07-2005 11:57									#1
	Will people play civ3 after civ4 comes out? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Yeah you will point out that the civ2 forums still are active. But Civ2 was a different beast. I think many consider that a better game. Including myself. Though I never play anymore. It just seems too outdated compared to civ3.

Anyone know where I can find info on civ4? (besides here). Actually I just want to know one thing. Can you mine grasslands. I don't know why, but that's always bugged me about civ3. What's really bugged me is it's a winning strategy, and you almost need to do it. It just looks so ugly. I admit, this is why I grew tired of civ3 so fast. I thought about firing up a game today, but the thought of mining grasslands.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing civ3. It was a great game for a while. I'm just wondering how much longer we will continue playing it.

	08-07-2005 20:43									#2
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I imagine that if it is good then CivIII will be put away to rest next to CivII by the vast majority.

	08-07-2005 21:07									#3
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I expect to leave any (of the remaining few) SP games for good. I will definately try to finish PBEMs, though.

	09-07-2005 06:34									#4
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I will not be playing Civ3 anymore (provided Civ4 is really good as people say it's going to be), but I'll definitely keep it on my HD just like I did with Civ2 for a while after Civ3 came out.

	09-07-2005 18:41									#5
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There will definitely be someone still playing Civ3 and Civ2 . But if Civ4 is as people hope it would be, there will sure be less Civ2 and Civ4 players around.

Oh and Diss, there's really no other place to find info on Civ4, unless you get to speak to a Firaxian directly .

	09-07-2005 20:07									#6
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To be honest, I don't see many Civ2 veterans migrating to Civ4... I mean those really hardcore Civ2 veterans, those who still play it often.

But then, I'd guess they are something like 0.005% of the players, huh?

	10-07-2005 07:35									#7
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I will be playing Civ III for quite awhile. I have to admit it is still new to me. I got it when Complete came out. This is also going to cause a fight, but I am not convinced that I want cIV.

I'll have to hear/read the reviews; But it's 3D without a true globe. The religion thing doesn't seem modeled correctly (I know I haven't play).

I played a lot of CivII. I wanted so much of what ended up in Civ III. I love III. The only reason that I didn't run out to buy Civ III the day it was released was - I'm cheap. That is my last reason for not running out to get cIV. I'll wait forthe gold or complete edition. Better yet the $10 copy.

I will be playing Civ III for quite some time.

	10-07-2005 15:55									#8
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I'll for sure play Civ3 after Civ4 is released, because my computer is quite... old, and I think it won't run Civ4 that have a 3D engine and other new features that my computer can't use.

	11-07-2005 01:29									#9
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Every once in a while, I get the urge to reinstall Civ2. I play half a game, or a full one if I'm ambitious, then I put it away for another few months. I'm getting there with Civ3 as well. If my computer can handle cIV reasonably well, I don't see myself going back to previous versions. Not very often, anyway.

	11-07-2005 02:37									#10
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 I imagine that if it is good then CivIII will be put away to rest next to CivII by the vast majority.

	11-07-2005 12:28									#11
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If Civ4 keeps what it promises, Civ3 will bite the dust for me. If not, I will probably leave the whole game genre.

	11-07-2005 20:45									#12
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Civ2 is kept alive for two reasons:

1) The vast number of scenarios and mods out there.

2) You don't need the CD to play it.

I install Civ2 on every machine I have and play it when I can't find my Civ3 CD. Yeah, I could get one of those CD-anywhere things but that'd just be another thing to install and fuss with.

Civ3's obsessive need for its CD will be its death for me when Civ4 comes out.

	12-07-2005 01:25									#13
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quote: Originally posted by gunkulator Civ2 is kept alive for two reasons: 1) The vast number of scenarios and mods out there. 2) You don't need the CD to play it. I install Civ2 on every machine I have and play it when I can't find my Civ3 CD. Yeah, I could get one of those CD-anywhere things but that'd just be another thing to install and fuss with. Civ3's obsessive need for its CD will be its death for me when Civ4 comes out.

I use a special patch to take care of that CD problem (and yes I bought all the games and expansions)

	12-07-2005 03:48									#14
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quote: Originally posted by gunkulator I install Civ2 on every machine I have and play it when I can't find my Civ3 CD. Yeah, I could get one of those CD-anywhere things but that'd just be another thing to install and fuss with. Civ3's obsessive need for its CD will be its death for me when Civ4 comes out.

I use CD images for all my games. It's really not bad once you know what you're doing. It's just that first step that's a pain

	14-07-2005 23:18									#15
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I haven't played Civ3 for over a year, I doubt I'll ever get back to it... I have considered to install Civ2 again, but this kinda depends on what Civ4 turns out to be. If it's good then Civ2 will be history, if not then I might play a "few more turns"... if I can find the CD, I don't remember where I put the CD after I moved

But I sure hope they have gotten rid of the mines in grassland, that was just too ugly... I haven't noticed anything like this in the screenshots, but that wasn't what I was looking at when looking at the screenshots so chances I would notice are slim

	15-07-2005 00:20									#16
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hmm. This is a big "it depends" for me. I quite like the way that CivIII has turned out and I am a long way from being done exploring the possibilities it offers.

I'm not sure how CivIV could be "better." If it is - better AI, more interesting unit interactions, then I might drop CivIII.

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	15-07-2005 22:14									#17
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I still play civ 2, so I will most likley continue to play civ 3 even when civ 4 is out.

	16-07-2005 02:00									#18
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civ3 was fun for a while. But I just don't have that much desire to play anymore. I was hoping to play all the scenarios in conquests at least twice. The only ones I've played multiple times are mesopotamia, middle ages, and age of discovery. Probably the 3 best ones as well.

The problem is the gameplay is too simplistic. Sure it helps the AI out, but it makes the game boring after a while. And yes, it all comes down to mining grasslands. We need more options for improving the land. I don't care if it means we have a worse ai. I need something different to do in my games. And I'm tired of all my land looking the same.

	17-07-2005 00:09									#19
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I don't play Civ2 anymore. I threw the disks out years ago. There were so many annoyances especially with AI behavior that I was eternally grateful when 3 came out.

"You are rated Most Powerful on the List that Makes No Sense! We once LOVED you, but now we HATE you! We demand 50gp!! No?!?!! WAR!!! We will slaughter our horsemen against your Mech Inf! Oh wait! You're now Second Most Powerful! We love you!!! OOps, you're rated MOST POWERFUL again! We Hate You! We Love You! Hate! Love! Hate!"

	17-07-2005 00:58									#20
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Isn't that Civ3 you're talking about?

No wait, in Civ3 when the other civs starts to hate you there's usually no way to make them like you again

	17-07-2005 01:38									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio Isn't that Civ3 you're talking about? No wait, in Civ3 when the other civs starts to hate you there's usually no way to make them like you again

He was talking Civ2 alright. Civ3 does not have the gang on the leader "feature".

Also, it is possible to get back to normal (or very close to this state) with an AI in Civ3. The problem is, it takes too much peace, a thing most players... let us say "shun".

	17-07-2005 01:51									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 He was talking Civ2 alright. Civ3 does not have the gang on the leader "feature".

No, it has the attack everybody feature. I've only played very few games where everybody is not at war with at least 75% of all enemies, at some point in the game

quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Also, it is possible to get back to normal (or very close to this state) with an AI in Civ3. The problem is, it takes too much peace, a thing most players... let us say "shun".

It might be possible yes, but I have yet to see this happen

	17-07-2005 02:04									#23
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After I built forts in my city radius only to have Elizabeth plunk a city down next door and say "get out of "my" land," I quit it forever.

	17-07-2005 02:26									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio No, it has the attack everybody feature. I've only played very few games where everybody is not at war with at least 75% of all enemies, at some point in the game

AIs fight, that is what they do. But it is not always a large part of the game, and can be reduced further by increasing the appearance ratio of resources (AI is programmed to aggressively pick up luxuries and resources it can not trade for). Still, the game does lack the diplomatic option "Sign peace with X, or we provide you what a real war looks like."

quote: Originally posted by Adagio It might be possible yes, but I have yet to see this happen

I know it is possible, for I have done it. Making some AI my perfect ally after cutting half of it for myself early in the game is quite doable. But it does take many turns of being nice, and at peace. Also, it means no breaking any deals, ever, as that tends to ruin your reputation for good.