11-07-2005 03:16									#1
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From the July 8th Video interview with Lead Producer Jesse Smith
http://civilizationiv.info/
[quote]Smith says that he believes those who play CivIV and have played earlier titles will find that exploration is a lot more interesting now for you no longer know at the outset where you are located relatively in the world around you. Nineteen tile improvements then come in handy.

Hmm, lets see...
1. Irrigation
2. Farmland
3. Roads
4. Railroads
5. Airport
6. Fortress
7. Mining

We can pretty much assume that these are in, but what else?

	11-07-2005 03:17									#2
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some sort of "fishery"
Windmills

	11-07-2005 03:30									#3
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perhaps now should be a good time to point out that "The Civ4 List" covered this, and proposed something like 50 new terrain improvements

	11-07-2005 03:34									#4
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50 would be probably a bit too much for most players, though .

	11-07-2005 03:36									#5
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but there is a good possibility that the majority of the 19 improvements come out of the list.

	11-07-2005 03:46									#6
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Yes, if only because it would be hard to think of many extra ones that are reasonable for the game and are not on the list.

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you got 1 tile improvement for each resource. So thats where that # comes from.

I'd assume some resources would share an improvement (like iron & coal), but if most have unique improvements, then it would explain the big number.

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Iron, coal, gold, copper many resources are mineable. I really doubt 1 per resource. Maybe some improvements that are only used for resources, but not 1 per resource.

http://apolyton.net/civ4/3/78/129/

The number of resources far exceeds 19. Given that we surely have roads, farms, mines and railroads, it's down to a few resource specific improvements, if there are such.

	11-07-2005 04:37									#9
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Some resources will share improvements for extracting, while others will have their own unique improvement.

IIRC they've mentioned vinyards or a winery of some sort.

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If you take a page out of SMAC we might be able to raise/lower the terrain. Perhaps there will be tiles that boost culture or religion? Like a missionary outpost or something.


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	11-07-2005 05:16									#11
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There's no elevation in cIV. And I don't see how a religion improvement would work... but a cultural improvement, maybe.

	11-07-2005 06:18									#12
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Windmills have been mentioned in one of the previews and I have seen a screenie of one somewhere....

...but most of all, I hope they implemented the tile improvement of "suburb".

If they did, my mark upon civ would have taken place.

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	11-07-2005 08:43									#13
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As long as there are updates to improvements, that could account for a few. 3 types of mines and irrigation would be need at least.

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Windmills require hills, Fisheries are obviously built on Coastal Squares (though whether a fish resource is needed, I am not sure), same with an offshore platform. Vinyards requires the grape resource, and I have seen Pens for animal resources such as pigs, Cattle, Sheep and horses. Plus I am sure we will have the standard mines, farms, outposts, airbases and forts-so thats 10 just for starters.
Anyone think of any others?

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maybe they'll bring back the railroaded oceans

	11-07-2005 16:08									#16
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check here for more of what your guessing at

http://civilization4.net/3/78/128/

should narrow the guess work some

	12-07-2005 03:52									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos As long as there are updates to improvements, that could account for a few. 3 types of mines and irrigation would be need at least.

Ctp tilespamming

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Windmills require hills? Someone tell that to the Dutch please. They must have missed the memo.

	13-07-2005 19:24									#19
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Why do you think mills are constructed on a platform?

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Because they were draining water? [/serious question]

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Exactly, I think that Hill restriction is uneccessary, and perhaps they have removed it since it was first touted-or perhaps its still in for Gameplay reasons. Also, historically, it has always been easier to harness windpower when your 'turbines' are in an elevated spot, so it does make a certain kind of sense when I think about it.

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Plus they look nicer on hills.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Ctp tilespamming

Kucispamming

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I dunno what you call covering everything in railroads if not the worst kind of tile-spamming.

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Windmills sure do work better when on an elevated spot. I'm living in a flat area, and some of the old (historic) mills were build on mounds.

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quote: Originally posted by hexagonian Kucispamming

Not actually posting something relevent

this post

my other post

	16-07-2005 04:26									#27
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I am hoping for Dams along rivers, they should be a late game high cost improvment that gives you Hammers (electricy production), gold (selling the electricity) and food (irrigating with the water). Also they could prevent "Floods" (hypothtical disaster occuring along rivers that wipes out any improvments along that river).

	16-07-2005 04:35									#28
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Windmills were built on platforms for two reasons.

1 - So the vanes will stay clear of the ground

2 - the platform allows the mill to turn to face the wind, taking advantage of changing wind direction.

	21-08-2005 01:22									#29
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Hills definitely should not be a requirement for windmills. Here in the Fargo area we are in one of the windiest regions in the country (even windier than Chicago), we have several wind power generators and this area is tabletop flat.

	21-08-2005 01:32									#30
	Re: 19 Tile improvements? Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by H Tower From the July 8th Video interview with Lead Producer Jesse Smith http://civilizationiv.info/ [quote]Smith says that he believes those who play CivIV and have played earlier titles will find that exploration is a lot more interesting now for you no longer know at the outset where you are located relatively in the world around you. Nineteen tile improvements then come in handy. Hmm, lets see... 1. Irrigation 2. Farmland 3. Roads 4. Railroads 5. Airport 6. Fortress 7. Mining We can pretty much assume that these are in, but what else?

radar towers, fortifications, airbasese etc. You are forgetting those