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Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

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No, it's just evidence that no one else wants them .

Alberta may have oil, but if it spawned Asher, I don't want to touch it

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No, that was California. Don't blame us for your exports.

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Evidently Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland, and three territories got relocated to Mars.
You weren't mentioned in the game I got the info from but feel free to say which state you feel the missing provinces would join.

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Crimson Skies, eh?

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You weren't mentioned in the game I got the info from but feel free to say which state you feel the missing provinces would join.


I think you assume a lot thinking that any Canadians would want a piece of the crap shoot.

The doors might be open to a few new provinces, but not even Albertans would be fool enough to ditch Confederation if the lower 48 were going bat **** crazy.

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Reading some of these responses make me think more and more how different different parts of the country are and how much happier we'd ALL be if we split up lol.

The only real concern is national security and since there are plenty of nukes around(and nuclear powers don't fight, and if they do, its the apocalypse) that is not an issue.

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As for the Midwest, I think it would split largely along politcal lines.

The more liberal northern Midwest: Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan, plus Illinois (and defacto capital Chicago).

The more conservative southern Midwest: Ohio, Indiana.

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Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont would never break up. Red Sox Nation has to stay intact.

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...............latley i've been making threads which are far from the line of normal thinking. I don't drink, do any sort of drugs, i'm very straight laced but I've been making these kinds of threads when it is late at night and I am very tired. It has been interesting to come back the next morning and see what the hell I was thinking. For once... I don't think my idea was a bad one.

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california, arizona, nevada, oregon, washington - the bear flag republic

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The only way to win Civ games without exploiting AI bugs is with massive military power(even if it is to discourage others from attacking).


You don't need a massive military to land on Alpha Centauri. Or at least, not one massive relative to your country.^-^

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Anyone going back to the British Empire?

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I dunno, I'd have to do some revisions.

I think that if the US is breaking up, why should the states remain political entities in themselves?

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Texas has numerous Military bases, including the largest in the world...we'd get more than oklahoma

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Here are my revisions. Yes, socialist Saskatchewan had all but one seat go to the Conservative party, and most the liberal support in Manitoba is concentrated in Winnipeg.

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It'd be interesting to see all the major cities seceeding from the states and turning into a sort of Hanseatic League.

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Now, could you please rename Jesusland to texas?!

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Q: all the major cities would starve

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The only way to win Civ games without exploiting AI bugs is with massive military power(even if it is to discourage others from attacking).


You don't need a massive military to land on Alpha Centauri. Or at least, not one massive relative to your country.^-^



Yes you do-you need a large enough military(or one more advanced then the enemy) to defend yourself or discourage attack. If you play on any decent difficulty setting the AI is always too aggresive and will attack unless you are militarily superior.







Edit: Large cities in some states.... not others. After all, who says commerce stops lol? EVEN if it did, which is rediculous, there is enough food production in NY and California for LA and NYC, enough in Texas for houston.... enough for chicago.

Water rights would be a problem though-a number of the nations large cities pipe in their water from extreme distances, even over state boundaries.

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Q: all the major cities would starve


The Hanseatic Cities didn't.

I'm sure that the major cities wouldn't either, they'd just sell manufactured goods in exchange for food.

And besides, with Meat Vats...

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Q: all the major cities would starve

Te coastal cities would be great new markets for our agricultural surpluses

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No, that was California. Don't blame us for your exports.

I'm from Calgary. Have lived in California...but from Calgary.

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we're so rich, we can import food from abroad - anyways, the whole subsidy system, both agricultural and federal, would collapse and us rich ones wont have the dead weight anymore, and theyd be forced to move to us anyways.

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Even if the Union were to break up, surely the lesson we've all learned by now is that large political units become more powerful than small political units. I could really see the US breaking down into just 4 units, based on geography, history, and culture:

1) The old CSA, minus Texas but plus West Virginia
2) The old Union, east of the Mississippi River
3) The West Coast + Hawaii
4) Texas, Oklahoma, the Rocky Mountain States, and the Great Plains States

This leaves 4 states to distribute: Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, and Alaska. I think Minnesota definitely belongs with the old Union. Iowa has more in common culturally with the old Union, but more in common geogrphically and economically with the Great Plains states; I'd put it in the Union. Missouri probably belongs in the old Confederacy, but that spilts Kansas City over a national border, so maybe not.

I have no clue what to do with Alaska.

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It's probably inherited by whichever one is the government that didn't break off.

 
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