11-07-2005 06:44									#1
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Discussing this briefly in another thread

The scenario: The federal government has been dismantled and now only exists essentially as a ghost, the only areas in which it has authority over the states are in area of standardizing transportation, communication, commerce, and in organizing for the common defense.

The rest of the states either become independent states or join into small confederations with neighboring states, that grouping becoming what is in effect now the new federal government.

Which states do you think would form up into blocks?

The way I was thinking it was.....

California, Washington State, Nevada and Washington probably go one way.

Texas goes its own way, might take Oklahoma with it.

Florida DEFIANTLY goes off on it's own-it is liberal surrounded in a sea of conservatism.

Main, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island would probably all go together.

New York and New Jersey would defiantly pair up, probably bring along Connecticut.

I bet you most of the south would stay together.... unsure if Virginia would stay though.

So you have north and south carolina, georgia, alabama, tennessee, kentucky, arkansas and mississippi.

NO clue where Loiusiana would go.

Mid west.... not sure-I am not sure how that would be carved up.....

Hawaii and Alaska... no clue.

Post.

	11-07-2005 06:48									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen Texas goes its own way, might take Oklahoma with it.

Don't know much about the people from either Texas or Oklahoma, do you?

	11-07-2005 06:49									#3
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Politically they are different.

I had thought however that a significant part of the population was related-was I wrong?

	11-07-2005 06:51									#4
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Oklahoma is nothing but an bloated Indian reservation.

Texas should leave, forming a close relationship with California and Florida.

	11-07-2005 06:52									#5
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Who cares? AR will kick all ass

Seriously, when the "union" ends, no returning this time. All hell breaks loose, US descends into anarchy. People aren't loyal to their states like they used to be.

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AR?

Arkansas?

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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen I had thought however that a significant part of the population was related-was I wrong?

Nice.

Nothing like a good ole' inbreeding joke.



Yankee go home!

	11-07-2005 06:55									#8
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No.

Argentina.

We'll see how well you get along without rice chickens or Wal Mart, Verto...

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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel Nice. Nothing like a good ole' inbreeding joke. Yankee go home!

........that wasen't a joke.

My history could be wrong but hasen't there been a slow and steady migration to texas from arkansa for decades?

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Western Washington, Western Oregon and Northern California band together to form Ecotopia.

The urbanized chunk of California from Santa Barbara to San Diego becomes Pacifica.

The area along the Mexican boarder from California's deserts to Dallas becomes TexMexAmerica

The sprawling emptiness to the east and north of these three nations becomes Frontiere, best known for having miles and miles of miles and miles.

Traveling east, when the land begins producing carbohydrates rather than hydrocarbons, you're entering The United States of the Great Plains.

From Dallas to Central Florida to Virginia to Tennessee, there is Dixie

Miami and southern Florida become the northernmost province of Cuba...or rather, Cuba becomes Miami's southernmost suburb.

South of the Great Lakes, north of the Ohio River is Rustoleum

Washington DC to Boston is the citystate of Averice

The states north of Averice become Maritime provices of Canada.

Edit: Alaska becomes its own nation and joins OPEC

Hawaii also becomes its own nation and becomes the playground of the Pacific.

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AHAHAHAHAHAHA

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You know this would happen eventually.




Speaking of which, I find it ironic that both sides after the election of 2004 thought that the blue states should secede.

	11-07-2005 07:52									#13
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That's got to be the dumbest version of the "blue states secede" map I've seen yet.

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It was an "equal opportunity bashing" version, apparently.

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It's not the names... it's the logic behind some of the new borders. Socialist Saskatchewan in Jesusland? Right...

	11-07-2005 08:04									#17
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Much better.

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Alaska
Appalachian Territory: Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia
Arixo: Arizona and New Mexico
Atlantic Coalition: Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island
Columbia: Maryland, Washington, DC, Delaware
Confederation of Dixie: Missouri, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida
Disputed Western Territories: Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming
Empire State: New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey
Free Colorado State: Colorado, parts of Wyoming
French Louisiana: Louisiana
Kingdom of Hawaii
Industrial States of America: Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota
Lakota Territory: Parts of North Dakota and Montana
Maritime Provinces: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New Brunswick, parts of Quebec
Nation of Hollywood: California
Navajo Nation: Parts of Arizona
Protectorate of Ontario: Ontario
Pacifica: Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia
People's Collective: North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa
Republic of Texas: Texas, Oklahoma
Republique de Quebec]
Utah: Utah, parts of Idaho

	11-07-2005 08:20									#19
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New England will secede, but New Haven County will join with the New York Federation. A bloody war will be fought. The Yankees hats will win.

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Dino, why do you think Connecticut would not pair off with New York and New Jersey?

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Minnesota + Fargo, Wisconsin, Michigan, Northern Indianna, Northern Illinois, Northern Ohio, Pacific NW, New England, Mid-Atlantic states: joins Canada

California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico: Republic of California

Utah: Holy Republic of Deseret (thats what the mormons called themselves when they moved to Utah)

Alaska: Republic of Alaska

Idaho, Colorado, Montana, the Dakotas - Fargo: Republic of Montana

Rest of the Midwest: Federal Republic of Mississippia

Texas and Oklahoma: republic of Texas

South: Federal Republic of Dixie

Florida, US Virgin Islands: Floridian Republic

Hawaii and pacific territories: Republic of Hawaii

Puerto Rico: republic of Peurto Rico

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Urge for Civ scenario rising.

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Many have been made, but so far I've yet to come across a good one that deals with the whole political and social aspect in an interesting way, as opposed to a simple slugfest.

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Former US states would not come to blows lol-which is 90% of what civ is, fighting,and preparing to fight .

	11-07-2005 09:04									#25
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Bah. Civ isn't completely about warfare (Although most scenarios have been with warfare)

If it was done in Civ4, could replace religions with philosophies for it. Spread liberalism across the former US!

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*EVERYTHING* in civ is about warfare, preparing for warfare, getting better technologies FOR warefare OR... defending yourself incase OTHER people want to declare war on you.

The only way to win Civ games without exploiting AI bugs is with massive military power(even if it is to discourage others from attacking).

	11-07-2005 09:30									#27
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd

We love you too, Ludd.

	11-07-2005 09:31									#28
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Zkrib is the man. So is DinoDoc and Odin.


Hawaii would either restore the monarchy or would join in a 'pact' with Washington, Oregon, California, and Nevada (Cause of Las Vegas).

I'd guess that the Western half of the US would join together. I don't really have an opinion about the rest. But I'm pretty sure Texas would become a Republic again. And New England would go back to 'Old England'.

	11-07-2005 09:35									#29
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Alaska Appalachian Territory: Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia Arixo: Arizona and New Mexico Atlantic Coalition: Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island Columbia: Maryland, Washington, DC, Delaware Confederation of Dixie: Missouri, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida Disputed Western Territories: Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming Empire State: New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey Free Colorado State: Colorado, parts of Wyoming French Louisiana: Louisiana Kingdom of Hawaii Industrial States of America: Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota Lakota Territory: Parts of North Dakota and Montana Maritime Provinces: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New Brunswick, parts of Quebec Nation of Hollywood: California Navajo Nation: Parts of Arizona Protectorate of Ontario: Ontario Pacifica: Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia People's Collective: North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa Republic of Texas: Texas, Oklahoma Republique de Quebec] Utah: Utah, parts of Idaho

Evidently Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland, and three territories got relocated to Mars.

Either that or naming four of ten provinces is the limit of the capability of an above average example of your education system.

	11-07-2005 09:38									#30
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Evidently Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland, and three territories got relocated to Mars. Either that or naming four of ten provinces is the limit of the capability of an above average example of your education system.