14-07-2005 16:07									#91
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion I thought Greece was EL

it depends

http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-ser...s/list-en1.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code

quote: Before the 2004 EU enlargement the EU used the UN Road Traffic Conventions license plate codes; since then, it uses ISO 3166-1, with 2 exceptions: EL (not GR) is used for Greece, and UK (not GB) is used for the United Kingdom.

so i guess we should stick with the EU choice instead of the worthless ISO (who are these guys anyway? ) and use EL

	14-07-2005 16:35									#92
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I'm going to sometimes use UK, sometimes GB and sometimes ENG

Everyone should use Paradox's country codes from HOI2!

	14-07-2005 17:25									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Colon Besides, I think the proper abbreviation for Berkshire would be BS.

What about Bukinghamshire and Bedfordshire?

BERKS is the real abbreviation.

	14-07-2005 17:46									#94
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Hehe, I think Colon meant that as a joke... (BS = BullShit)

	14-07-2005 17:54									#95
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Abbreviations were adopted in order to save effort and room in writing and typing. But in a numerical world when most informations are edited without typing, the need of abbreviations is considerably reduced, and its use should be limited to sentences where no ambiguity could result from it.

	14-07-2005 17:59									#96
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH What about Bukinghamshire and Bedfordshire? BERKS is the real abbreviation.

They're BS too.

	14-07-2005 21:11									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Az quote: We could use the online country suffixes. No. I am not from goddamn Illinois.

Neither are you in Europe, so the abbreviation nomenclature thereof needn't concern you.

In GB,UK (not sure about NI,UK), we can use the car region codes if we need two letters rather than county abbreviations.

	14-07-2005 21:22									#98
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Reading has the whole of the Rs which is awesome.

	14-07-2005 21:31									#99
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hah, you think youve got us scared. Forget the 2 letter State abbreviations (which originally most Americans disliked, but which are used on the net for the same reasons all the other insane abbreviations are) we'll go to counties, and use abbreviations for them.

How many of you know where the hell FFX is?

	14-07-2005 21:45									#100
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On Spira of course.

	14-07-2005 21:59									#101
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quote: Neither are you in Europe, so the abbreviation nomenclature thereof needn't concern you.

Cyprus isn't in europe either, this doesn't stop it from joining the EU, and doing other stuff.

Hell, Kazakhstan is playing the euro football championship...

	14-07-2005 23:16									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Neither are you in Europe, so the abbreviation nomenclature thereof needn't concern you. In GB,UK (not sure about NI,UK), we can use the car region codes if we need two letters rather than county abbreviations.

Most cars around here are LV. I don't want people thinking I'm a scouser.

	15-07-2005 03:41									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Most cars around here are LV. I don't want people thinking I'm a scouser.

LV, LX, I believe that from LU-LY are all registration plates of the Sidcup DVLA office...

	15-07-2005 03:42									#104
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Poor old Scousers get stuck with M-something which is Manchester. I bet they love that

	15-07-2005 04:08									#105
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Everybody in his right mind knows that M is Munich. Duh

	15-07-2005 04:14									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Micha Oh yes, and you (of course) also know the abbreviations (or at least full names) of all states of each country in Europe... I´m fine with using the official abbr. when being among Americans only, but I doubt I could guess more than half of those (and sadly I belong to the geographically better educated folks over here)...

Don't worry, most Americans couldn't get more than half either.

	15-07-2005 04:29									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Micha Oh yes, and you (of course) also know the abbreviations (or at least full names) of all states of each country in Europe... I´m fine with using the official abbr. when being among Americans only, but I doubt I could guess more than half of those (and sadly I belong to the geographically better educated folks over here)... Btw, I´m from DD, Sachs. in D. And you?

I was just saying you should go by some official standard rather than making them up on the spot...

And I was also letting you know that in the US and Canada the abbrevs. are determined by the postal serice, not randomly.

	15-07-2005 05:48									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Colon What the hell are you talking about? There's not a single Belgian location that has "berk" in its name.

[Di Rupo]

Berkem??

	15-07-2005 05:51									#109
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I'm going to sometimes use UK, sometimes GB and sometimes ENG

Meh, no one knows the difference anyway, or could give a damn.

	15-07-2005 06:16									#110
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You're all French anyway.

	15-07-2005 07:17									#111
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I think we should have them all in English, mostly because most people here speak english, even if its not their native language....the thing is, it would be nice for someone that doesn't know the abreviations to be able to guess them...accurately...

For example, we all know what the USSR is, but few probably know what the CCCP is...using native tongue justs confuses people...

A suggestion...

UK = England/United Kingdom
FR = France
SP = Spain
GE = Germany
SW = Switzerland
PT = Portugal
GR = Greece
IT = Italy
NW = Norway
SE = Sweden
AU = Austria
FI = Finland
RU = Russia
UR = Ukraine
IR = Ireland
IC = Iceland
PO = Poland
CZ = Czech Republic
CR = Crotia
BR = Brussels
NE = Netherlands/Holland
RO = Romania
BU = Bulgaria
RO = Romania
LV = Latvia
ES = Estonia
BE = Belarus
HU = Hungary
TK = Turkey (not exactly European, but close)
LU = Lithuania
SV = Slovakia
YG = Yugoslavia

I probably forgot some, can't think of any more off the top of my head...

Of course, this isn't perfect, its only a suggestion...but still I think a similiar system would work...

	15-07-2005 08:00									#112
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I dont want abbreviations, particularly english abbreviations.

	15-07-2005 08:17									#113
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quote: BR = Brussels

Hmm, you don't look American!?

quote: BE = Belarus

That's what above should be..Well almost.

	15-07-2005 13:13									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Commy I think we should have them all in English, mostly because most people here speak english, even if its not their native language....the thing is, it would be nice for someone that doesn't know the abreviations to be able to guess them...accurately...

I think you don't understand this thread. We're laughing at the stupid obscure abbreviations the Americans throw at us. Nodody's serious about systematically using abbreviations to speak about European countries.

	15-07-2005 13:19									#115
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That's what you think.

	15-07-2005 13:34									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Commy For example, we all know what the USSR is, but few probably know what the CCCP is...using native tongue justs confuses people...

CCCP certainly is a much more familiar abbreviation than USSR to me ...

	15-07-2005 13:44									#117
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion That's what you think.

People from HR don't count

	15-07-2005 15:12									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist CCCP certainly is a much more familiar abbreviation than USSR to me ...

Bear in mind though that is the Cyrillic alphabet so it is like SSSR, and Union becomes Soyuz...

	16-07-2005 01:27									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I think you don't understand this thread. We're laughing at the stupid obscure abbreviations the Americans throw at us. Nodody's serious about systematically using abbreviations to speak about European countries.

look, we didnt make em up. Theyre official postal codes. One of which is French, BTW - or do you really think PQ stands for something in English?

We used to have Calif, Ariz, Fla, and Mich. It was the postal system that changed these to CA, AZ, FL, and MI. And, btw, Ont to ON.

	16-07-2005 01:31									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Bear in mind though that is the Cyrillic alphabet so it is like SSSR, and Union becomes Soyuz...

What makes you think I don't know that?