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Well, Ozzy, it's not what I said. I think France would become borderline fascist if such a thing happened, and would obsess about terrorism for a jolly long time. The fabric of society would be completely transformed. There would probably be some foreign ventures, but I don't think we'd nuke whole countries. I don't think the survivng French would want that too.

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Yea... same here....

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Nuking the mideast would be excessive and dumb, agreed, but there would certainly be large scale invasions, and rounding up of all Muslims. I imagine even Europe would join in.


At the very least maybe it would help dispel the notion that the religion of Islam has merely been hijacked by a few extremists. The idea that Islamic terrorists are only a couple thousand strong is idiotic.

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It's my understanding that terrorism is preached in the churches and respected in the media. It pervades society as the way to make it to heaven and get some ass while there. Terrorism is part of the culture in the mideast.

How long we can keep the nukes out is the question. Our borders are fairly open, our ports wide open. I think they could ship one here in a container marked 'illegal nuclear weapons' and it would be delivered. The only hope is intelegence, knowing it's being shipped and meeting the ship at sea. Then again, we didn't know about 9/11, sooo...

Another good reason not to live in a city.

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I'LL repeat: HUNDREDS of FISSION nuclear devices have gone missing from Chechnia in light of the fall of the soviet union.


If there were that many loose, working nuclear weapons, why hasn't one been used on the U.S./Russia/etc. yet?

Also, given his usual MO, Osama/Al Qaeda would likely issue a warning first. It'll be cryptic and laughed at, but it would be a warning. Bin Laden needs a theological justification for nuking a U.S. city.

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A lot of people are saying what they wouldn't do, but not what they would do if, tens of millions of your people were suddenly massacred by terrorists. Oh no those awful Americans for retaliating. Umm, who was it that just nuked 20 of our cities?


Personally if I'd be making the call, I wouldn't drop any bombs, but I would spray the entire region with permanent contraceptives.

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Do people really think that terrorists willing to do this would actually care if the Middle East was nuked as well? If that happened it would simply cause more people to join their cause, which is probably exactly what they want.


Wiping out the major cities of a large portion of the middle east will completley disrupt all form of communication and most importantly TRANSPORT, oh yeah... because buisness is so centralized, expect commerce to instantly stop.

The middle east is importing massive quantities of grain to support their population... that also instantly stops.

Expect what is left to be too busy trying to avoid starvation to attack for decades.


If we nuke the middle east in response, we *WANT* to commit genocide. It is such an unimaginably awful thing to do, but likley a neccesary one. I am Jewish and most of my familly died on Aschwitz and Dachow but this is different. If 20 american cities are nuked, it becomes a matter of survival-the only way to protect ourselves is quite literally genocide, the entire populations of countries which preach wahabism(summary: kill the infidels) need to be wiped out because those we leave alive will DEFINATLEY come for us.

The only problem in doing that is managing to kill them all, without producing so much radiation that it spreads with the wind killing millions in asia.










Another, actual REALISTIC solution which is not as much of a crime against humanity:

Make it publicly known that the U.S. policy is such:

If a foreign device is detonated in the united states and muslim terrorists are found to be responsible, the arab world has 24 hours to give us a good reason to not nuke mecca and medina, at which point, we nuke both those cities. Have the Israeli's level the temple mount as well(a bunch of important sites there including the dome of the rock).

Imagine a strong statesman(so not bush... say clinton, maybe regan) coming on for the state of the union, he steps up to the podium, the seal of the presidency behind him....:

"My fellow Americans, we live in a dangerous time and our best efforts can not protect us entirley from the cowardly acts of religious fanatics. I say this now with the deepest regret and sorrow but it is the responsibility of this goverment to protect the people of the united states.

Growing intelligence has shown that terrorists have increased their efforts for plans to detonate nuclear devices in the United States of America.

It is now the American policy that if a nuclear device is detonated in America and muslim fanatics are found to be responsible, we will give the nations of the middle east 48 hours to appease us. After that time, Mecca and Medina will be reduced to nuclear rubble.

We say this with heavy hearts and the deepest regrets but the American people will not let our lives be ruled by terror.

God bless America."

That might actually work as to a degree as a deterent. How do you think SAUDI ARABIA will respond to that message? How do you think PAKISTAN will respond to that message? How do you think IRAN will respond to that message?

*OVERNIGHT* those goverments will kick it into overdrive to rid themselves of threats to the U.S.

Expect purges that will make stalin proud.

And the good news, the blood is not on our hands.

We need to put a candle under their asses, we need a bombfire to make them act.

The more I type, the better idea this sounds..... lets do it lol.

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Write your President. He just might.

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not really related except for the nuke part, but here it goes.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/28cfe55a-f...000e2511c8.html

china threatens to nuke the U.S. if we interfere with Taiwan (by attacking chinese forces)

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Dis, that's worthy of its own thread. Big news! Chinese general threatens to nuke hundreds of US cities! Someone should make a thread, not me, it might get deleted.

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What a question... reminds me of a scene from Blackadder.

BALDRIC: "What do we do if we stop on a mine, sir?"

BLACKADDER: "The standard procedure Baldric is to jump two hundred feet in the air and spread oneself over a wide area".

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not really related except for the nuke part, but here it goes.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/28cfe55a-f...000e2511c8.html

china threatens to nuke the U.S. if we interfere with Taiwan (by attacking chinese forces)


I second the motion to make the article a thread unto itself. If a U.S. general ever pulled a stunt like that, s/he'd get reamed, demoted and booted out in no time flat (at least I'd hope so).

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Well...make the thread.

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At the very least maybe it would help dispel the notion that the religion of Islam has merely been hijacked by a few extremists. The idea that Islamic terrorists are only a couple thousand strong is idiotic.


The idea that they're 400 million strong is not just idiotic, it's borderline retarded.

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Revenge and satisfaction would be a part, but not the object of retaliation. I'm not sure that people here understand what the nuking of 20 American cities would involve. Consider how long it would take to bury the dead. Consider the TV images, once they got the power back up, of smoking irradiated cities where once grandma Gertrude lived. Imagine the death toll among friends, family. All of a sudden, a dozen or more Poly posters would vanish. Our money would become useless and the survivors would find themselves destitute. Food would run shjort until transportation could be reestablished. and there would be the dead, always more dead. The survivors in the suburbs would be drafted into burial details and would work day and night burying the dead in mass graves in an attempt to halt the spread of disease. People who were once family, nieghbors, reduced to rotting corpses.


And this would somehow be different in the Middle East? Arabs don't have friends or family? Instead of grandma Gertrude it'd be grandpa Abdul. Are you so biased as to think that all the suffering Americans endure in tragedy is somehow inexistant when other people suffer the same?

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The retaliation would be in kind, to insure that it never happened again. It would be massive, to insure that it never happened again, and it would be the end of the moslem world, to insure that it never happened again. To civilized human beings, revenge wouldn't be the object. Though it would be to some, certainly. I would hate the retaliation as much as the attack on my country, but I would see the need for it.




That is the most downright idiotic line of reasoning i've heard so far this thread. It's akin to amputating your foot just to avoid an ingrown nail to occur again. First of all you are again branding the entire muslim world as "uncivilized" as if the act of murdering 400 million people (of which the grand majority would be innocent) was the pinnacle of human civilization. Second of all out of those 400 million you are killing a grand majority of people who probably have as much hatred of terrorism as you or me. Third of all you'd also be destroying states which are quite supportive of Western efforts in the region, they'd be nuked just because they're muslim.

You know, you should also consider some other solutions to your own country's problems with the same moronic logic. Let's kill all the black people so that there's no more drive-by shootings. Let's fire all the doctors to avoid malpractice lawsuits. Let's put all the hispanics in concentration camps so that companies hire only legal Americans.

All in all though, all I can see from your posts is the fact that you support such a measure puts you right in the same rank the Mohammed Attas and Bin Ladens of the world: willing to kill thousands or millions to avenge the guilt of a few with no utter regard whatesover to the life and limb of the innocent. A more vile, wretched filth of humanity one will be hard to find anywhere.

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Nuclear weapons are pointless...in the grand scheme of things, they accomplish nothing...so if I don't have nukes, you attack me with tanks and people with machine guns...and if I do have nukes, you attack me with terrorism...personally, I'd rather deal with the tanks, because then I know who is being an idiot and can kill them upfront and don't have to deal with finding them among thousands of innocent people...

I'm just curious, does the Muslim world even care if the US is terrorized by extreme sects of their religion? Or are they just nuetral, not exactly mad or wanting to harm the Americans, but really could care less if they all died...I'm curious, because at times Muslims seem very sympathetic, and then at others, even the so called "innocent" muslims that are "sterotyped" by the few extremists seem to cheer the terrorists on...

 
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