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Congress finally acts to help end the suffering in Darfur! Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Too bad that what they've chosen to do is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a constructive or helpful way of ending the suffering in Darfur.

The bolded part is what they've done. The bill describe before that is an example of something that probably SHOULD have been done, but was likely killed.

http://coalitionfordarfur.blogspot....-for-dying.html

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005
A Prayer for the Dying

As Mark Leon Goldberg of the American Prospect reported back in April, the Bush administration was leaning heavily on congressional leaders and managed to stall, and probably killed, the Darfur Accountability Act.

As Goldberg explained, the bill

[E]stablishes targeted U.S. sanctions against the Sudanese regime, accelerates assistance to expand the size and mandate of the African Union mission in Darfur, expands the United Nations Mission in Sudan to include the protection of civilians in Darfur, establishes a no-fly zone over Darfur, and calls for a presidential envoy to Sudan.

Because of this pressue, the bill appears to be trapped in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the House Subcommittee on Africa, Global Human Rights and International Relations, presumably never to be seen again.

So what is Congress going to do now that sanctions, a no-fly zone and civilian protection are off the table? Apparently it has been reduced to "[encouraging] the people of the United States [to pray] for an end to the genocide and crimes against humanity and for lasting peace in Darfur, Sudan."

That's right, the US Congress has been reduced to calling on the American people to pray that somehow this genocide ends.

On July 1st, the US Senate quietly passed S.RES.186

A resolution affirming the importance of a national weekend of prayer for the victims of genocide and crimes against humanity in Darfur, Sudan, and expressing the sense of the Senate that July 15 through July 17, 2005, should be designated as a national weekend of prayer and reflection for the people of Darfur.

The House passed a companion resolution (H.RES.333) just yesterday.

The key portion of the resolution reads as follows

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) supports the goals and ideals of a National Weekend of Prayer and Reflection for Darfur, Sudan;

(2) encourages the people of the United States to observe that weekend by praying for an end to the genocide and crimes against humanity and for lasting peace in Darfur, Sudan; and

(3) urges all churches, synagogues, mosques, and religious institutions in the United States to consider the issue of Darfur in their activities and to observe the National Weekend of Prayer and Reflection with appropriate activities and services.


This resolution appears to be the work of the Save Darfur Coalition, a vital organization that has done a great deal to raise awareness of the genocide - but what does it say about the level of US commitment to address this situation when Congress is unwilling to do anything beyond simply asking the American people to pray for the dying people of Darfur?

If members of Congress are truly concerned about the deaths of nearly 400,000 Darfuris, or the fates of an estimated 3 million more, they are certainly capable of doing more than quietly declaring a "National Weekend of Prayer and Reflection."

Save Darfur deserves credit for getting Congress to even do this much, but this resolution cannot absolve Congress of its pathetic failure to adequately address the situation in Darfur. If anything, it only serves to highlight the government's utter lack of concern.

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right now theres a new govt coming to power in Sudan, that will include representatives of the Southern blacks as well as the old govt leaders- while Darfur is not represented, it is hoped the new govt will take a different tack on Darfur. This agreement was reached with the active diplomatic support of the US. Darfur itself is calmer than it was, thanks to the African Union troops, with the support of the UN, the US, and the west in general. There has also been much huminatarian support from the West, including US private citizens.

We have not done enough, but it would be wrong to ignore what we have done.

the security situation now - some improvement, a long way to go:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/sudanda...JVR
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Why was [to pray] edited in?

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I haven't dared to read the article. Please tell me that the Congress has done something more than calling the citizens to pray?

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If US soldiers can kill a goat with nothing but the power of their thoughts, then surely with the entire population focused in prayer, they can put an end to the suffering.

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sanctions are not off the table - limited sanctions, on specified individuals are in place per a prior UNSC res. Further sanctions can only be effective if they are multilateral, and that require a UNSC res, which means support from Russia and China, which I dont see happening soon.

Why is the author taking off after the US congress, and not after Russia and China? This looks like someone more concerned with domestic sniping than with the crisis in Darfur.

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"3) urges all churches, synagogues, mosques, and religious institutions in the United States to consider the issue of Darfur in their activities"

At my synagogue we have done this, and this has been followed up with donations - we have a custom that at a bar or bat mitzvah the childs religious school classmates contribute to a charity of the childs choice - POTM chose aid for Darfur, as did another child. We believe that prayer must lead to action - I sincerely hope that at churches across the US, that sentiment is shared.

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prayer is the cure to all our ills.

except the real ones.

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If US soldiers can kill a goat with nothing but the power of their thoughts, then surely with the entire population focused in prayer, they can put an end to the suffering.

A factoid I found while browsing your link. Completely off-topci, but I couldn't resist

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Mr. Ronson, who lives in London and exclaims the occasional "bloody hell" at these discoveries, remains terrifically adept at capturing the horror of these developments without losing track of their lunacy. About propaganda dropped from airplanes: "The Americans have always been better than the Iraqis at the leaflets." Early in the 1991 Persian Gulf war, he says, Iraqi psychological warfare meant telling American soldiers: "Your wives are back at home having sex with Bart Simpson and Burt Reynolds."

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Oh joy, another shining example of Bush hypocrisy for the religious right scumbags and the down-country hicks who elected him to ignore...

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So what is Congress going to do now that ... a no-fly zone and civilian protection are off the table?
You seriously expected this to happen?

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"3) urges all churches, synagogues, mosques, and religious institutions in the United States to consider the issue of Darfur in their activities"


Which the author, being a combete partisain dumbass, interrprets as "pray".

Using Darfur for domestic name calling

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Oh joy, another shining example of Bush hypocrisy for the religious right scumbags and the down-country hicks who elected him to ignore...


Care to point out said hypocrisy? Thought not.

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Wow -- Congress is really outdoing itself this time.

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no ones interested in discussing the situation in Darfur, instead folks want to discuss the efficacy of prayer. Why am i not surprised?

look, at my shul, we're pretty clear that if ALL you do is pray about something like Darfur, and dont DO anything about it, nothing will change.

I would hope the secularists here know that whining about prayer, or the Congress, wont help the folks in Darfur either. If you care, that is.

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This is, of course, dispicable.

But what did you want them to do? To wage an evil war of agression against the peaceful Sudanese regime?

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no ones interested in discussing the situation in Darfur, instead folks want to discuss the efficacy of prayer. Why am i not surprised?

look, at my shul, we're pretty clear that if ALL you do is pray about something like Darfur, and dont DO anything about it, nothing will change.

I would hope the secularists here know that whining about prayer, or the Congress, wont help the folks in Darfur either. If you care, that is.


The fact that I refute the ineffectiveness of praying in of itself as a solution to a real world problem means that I AM concerned about what is going on in Darfur.

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NO YOU JUST WANT TO BASH RELIGION YOU DIRTY ATHEIST>

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Next time you call me an atheist, I will throw cans of spinach at you.

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