Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Off-Topic > U.S. border reopened to Canadian cattle
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!
20.Sep: FOURTH CHAPTER IN `HISTORY OF...` PUBLISHED
13.Sep: NEWS ON THE FLY
06.Sep: APOLYTON DONATES TO HURRICANE RELIEF

bottom of page
   - CIVILIZATION 3 $9.99 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $6.95 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $4.25 - ALPHA CENTAURI + ALIEN CROSSFIRE (laptop collection) from $19.99 - ALPHA CENTAURI PC $9.99 -->
Author
Thread    < Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
KrazyHorse is offline KrazyHorse
King
Macedonia
May 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 06:40 Visit KrazyHorse's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#1 Report this post to a moderator
U.S. border reopened to Canadian cattle Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...dcow050714.html

quote:
The American border is "immediately" open to Canadian cattle following a court decision that overturned a temporary injunction banning their importation because of fears of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), also known as mad cow disease.

"The ruling is effective immediately, we are immediately taking steps to resume the importation of cattle under 30 months of age from Canada," said Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns in a late night statement.

The decision by the three-judge panel of the federal appeals court was released a day after the U.S. Department of Agriculture asked the court to strike down a lower court decision that kept cattle from crossing the border.

"I applaud today's [Thursday's] ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ... We have been safely importing boneless boxed beef from Canada since September 2003, and now we will use the scientific approach laid-out in our minimal risk rule to once again safely import live Canadian cattle for processing," the statement said.

"This is great news for the future of the U.S. beef industry, specifically the many ranchers, feeders, and processing plants that have been struggling to make ends meet due to the closed border."

However it is not clear what the decision means for a July 27 hearing scheduled for a Montana court, where Judge Richard Cebull – who granted the temporary injunction – was to hear arguments on making the injunction permanent.

The USDA had been ready to reopen the border on March 7, but the ranchers lobby group R-CALF convinced a Montana judge to block that decision, arguing that Canada doesn't adequately test for mad cow disease.

On July 27, Cebull will hear R-CALF's application to extend the trade ban indefinitely.

The U.S. closed its border to Canadian beef in May 2003, after the first case of BSE in a Canadian-born cow was confirmed. There have been two other positive cases since then, and the first case of BSE in the U.S. – an infected cow in Washington state in December 2003 – had been born in Canada.

Last month, the U.S. confirmed its first case of BSE in a U.S.-born cow.

The U.S. resumed the import of some cuts of Canadian beef in August 2003, but still won't allow cattle to cross the border. It had planned to start by allowing animals under the age of 30 months into the country.

KrazyHorse is offline KrazyHorse
King
Macedonia
May 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 06:41 Visit KrazyHorse's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#2 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Eat it, Montana.

Verto is offline Verto

King

Mar 2002
time: 23:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 06:43
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#3 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Kuciwalker is offline Kuciwalker
Emperor
of Schmooism
Feb 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 06:48
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#4 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Beef

Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
Prince
Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
time: 14:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 06:50
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#5 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

We're watching you, Canada...

KrazyHorse is offline KrazyHorse
King
Macedonia
May 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 06:54 Visit KrazyHorse's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#6 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Crow: it's what's for dinner

Wezil is offline Wezil
King
Ontario, Canada
Nov 1999
time: 02:07
  Old Post 15-07-2005 20:24
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#7 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote:
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Crow: it's what's for dinner


Nice.

Az is offline Az
King
MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 20:35
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#8 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Hey, if the US wants to kill it's meat processing industry, I don't see why it would bother you guys. Just ship them the goods instead.

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
Emperor
McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 20:36
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#9 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:

Crow: it's what's for dinner


QFT!

I was waiting for them to reopen the border, when they got their first case of American born cows with BSE.

Wezil is offline Wezil
King
Ontario, Canada
Nov 1999
time: 02:07
  Old Post 15-07-2005 20:50
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#10 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote:
Originally posted by Az
Hey, if the US wants to kill it's meat processing industry, I don't see why it would bother you guys. Just ship them the goods instead.


If we had enough capacity you would be right. This was a very expensive bit of US protectionism.

KrazyHorse is offline KrazyHorse
King
Macedonia
May 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 22:50 Visit KrazyHorse's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#11 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

They shot themselves in the foot, but it cost us money too.

Our slaughter capacity increased over the last couple of years, but the shock was so sudden that the restructuring cost was huge.

Az is offline Az
King
MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 22:55
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#12 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I'd think that this is a perfect opportunity to grow rapidly - some government loans, and you'd have a whole new large industry in your yard, which would also have american markets open to it = double the pleasure, sort to speak.

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
Emperor
McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 23:24
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#13 Report this post to a moderator
Full PM-box? Change here!

Now, if only they would drop the lumber tariff. Happy times would be here again.

Az is offline Az
King
MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 23:31
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#14 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I guess it's all in the past now... I still fail to understand what kind of a stupid ass protectionist measure is to forbid the entry of raw materials, but to allow the entry of processed goods...

BK: As a parallel to the cattle case, did the US place the tarriff on wood products as well?

Kontiki is offline Kontiki
Settler
Canada
Aug 2001
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 23:35
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#15 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/softwood_lumber/

Az is offline Az
King
MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 23:38
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#16 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Bending over, I see

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
Emperor
McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 23:39
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#17 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Lumber is the reverse. The US needs raw lumber for their mills, but Canada has more mill capacity, and would rather ship processed lumber to the US. The US has had a tariff for more than 5 years on lumber shipments to the US, but they don't have any restrictions on raw logs. Canada, understandeably, regulates the raw log exports to the US, in order to keep our own mills working with Canadian lumber.

The beef ban has two features that make it different. First of all, it is Alberta that is pinched by the beef ban, and BC that is pinched by the lumber. No one cares about BC. Secondly, there incentive on the US side to keep the tariff is that the mills in the US get to keep the payments made in tariffs from their partners in Canada, so the measure is a strict protectionist move to help them keep up with their better Canadian competitors.

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
Emperor
McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 23:42
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#18 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote:

B.C. Lumber Trade Council believes a trade war with the Americans over softwood lumber would be costly and should be avoided by accommodating U.S. demands.


And they have been roundly criticised in BC for the stance. British Columbians want a resolution to the lumber battle without capitulation, even though we are the ones who are best prepared to weather the storm.

Wezil is offline Wezil
King
Ontario, Canada
Nov 1999
time: 02:07
  Old Post 15-07-2005 23:43
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#19 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote:
Originally posted by Az
Bending over, I see


This should not surprise you.

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
Emperor
McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:37
  Old Post 15-07-2005 23:46
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#20 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Now, stumpage is an interesting deal. In BC, which is the largest lumber producer in Canada, it works to subsidise the coastal mills who work with cedar and hemlock on the coast. The stumpage fees make lumber in the interior, (where I am from), more costly, which makes up the vast majority of our exports to the US. In reality, the reason why Canada can ship lumber anywhere in the US more cheaply then they can, is because we have larger production capacity, better access to timber, and more efficient mills.

  < Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:37.
Apolyton Time is 00:37.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0429 seconds (90.72% PHP - 9.28% MySQL) with 30 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net