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Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

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HBP is coming out on Midnight tomorrow and I can't wait!! I'm going to be at a Barnes and Noble at 12:01 AM to pick up my copy (well, me and a bunch of friends). Hopefully the line isn't too long... but I think we are getting free food, so it'll at least be a better experience on line than for other things.

Who will die? Who will hook up? And who the **** is the Half-Blood Prince?

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Harry Potter, pissing off crazy Catholics

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July 14,2005 | BERLIN -- In a letter sent two years before becoming pope, Benedict XVI expressed concern that the Harry Potter books "erode Christianity in the soul" of young people, a German writer says.

The comments came in an exchange of letters between then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Gabriele Kuby, a Bavarian-based Roman Catholic sociologist who penned a book criticizing J.K. Rowling's blockbusters.

In a letter dated March 7, 2003, the text of which could be seen Thursday on Kuby's Web site, Ratzinger thanked her for sending him a copy of "your informative book."

"It is good that you are throwing light on Harry Potter, because these are subtle seductions that work imperceptibly, and because of that deeply, and erode Christianity in the soul before it can even grow properly," the letter added.

The Vatican had no comment, noting that the pontiff -- a Bavarian native -- and his secretary were away on vacation.

Kuby argues in her book, "Harry Potter -- Good or Evil," that the Potter novels blur the boundaries between good and evil and impair young readers' ability to distinguish between the two. She also asserts that they glorify the world of witches and magicians at the expense of the human world.

Christians in the United States have made similar criticisms.

Kuby said Thursday that she sent her book to Ratzinger -- then the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog -- after he commented favorably on an earlier book she wrote, "My Way to Mary."

In an e-mailed response to questions, she said she did not correspond with Ratzinger about Potter again after seeking his permission to cite his judgment later in 2003.

Ratzinger wrote on May 27 that year that "I gladly permit you to cite my opinion on Harry Potter," according to Kuby.

Rowling's sixth Potter book, "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince," is due out Saturday.

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Its reidculous that courts have placed stays on people speaking about the book after they accidentally bought them early. Jesus, its not a state secret, its the plot of a book.

I will probably get it next week, after the huge crowds dissipate some.

no time to read tommorrow, have to prepare for the new Sci Fi friday lineup

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I preordered it. It was 40% off. Hope it will be better than the last two.

Btw, I just saw Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence and all I have to say is wow! Very impressive! They're really pushing the limits of anime! And I just received Ghost in the Shell : stand alone complex vol. 3, The Prisoner (set 1) (yes, the TV series!) and Tarkovsky's Solaris from Zip.ca (the Canadian version of Netflix).

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Finally someone posts this.

Not sure which side to chose though, if he could really ban the damn books, I might actually be very tempted on becoming a devout catholic.

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lol Hormoney dies LOL

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Who will die? Who will hook up? And who the **** is the Half-Blood Prince?


Percy Weasley or Remus Lupin. Ron and Hermione, beginnings of Harry and Ginny. Character we don't know yet.

That's the conventional wisdom of HP fandom, anyway. Some people insist that Dumbledore and Hagrid are doomed, but they're wrong. At least, for now they are. Book seven, all bets are off.

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Hope it will be better than the last two.


The last two were superb.

BTW, got it pre-ordered and will be in line at the Barnes & Noble for the midnight release.

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The last two were superb.

BTW, got it pre-ordered and will be in line at the Barnes & Noble for the midnight release.


I think they read like bad thrillers, like Ludlum novels. That said, even though they were bad IMO, but they were never boring

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Publisher should charge like triple price on first day of sale. I bet all of you superfans will still buy it.

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I got my copy last week. Poor Hermoinioinoione.

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Yeah, what happened to Hermione was really sad. I'll miss her...

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Percy Weasley or Remus Lupin. Ron and Hermione, beginnings of Harry and Ginny. Character we don't know yet.


Damn, I wish they knocked off Percy. Would be nice. But I think it'll be Dumbledore. The old coot is... well... old!

24 hours away!

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I've been listening to the CD audiobooks of Azkaban & Goblet. A fellow named Jim Dale reads all the HP audiobooks, and he's great. I'm going in for some minor surgery tomorrow, and I'm going to listen to the Order of the Phoenix audiobook while I recuperate, and the wife is buying me HBP on Sunday. Great stuff. I feel sorry for people who shun them because they're "kid's" books.

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You know I've never listened to an audio-book. Probably would be smart... I'm notorious for failing to re-read books.

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Percy Weasley or Remus Lupin. Ron and Hermione, beginnings of Harry and Ginny. Character we don't know yet.


Damn, I wish they knocked off Percy. Would be nice. But I think it'll be Dumbledore. The old coot is... well... old!

24 hours away!

Percy will be redeemed shortly before his demise.

Dumbledore isn't going to just kick the bucket due to old age until the whole Voldemort thing is sorted out. This isn't Star Wars.

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According to an article I read today, no one can release the book until 0001 BST.

Does that mean we don't have to wait until midnight in the US?

ACK!

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I don't think so. In the US, I've only heard midnight local time.

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He has to. He needs to die so Harry can stand on his own two feet, so to speak. Can't hide behind the big dude... and you have to find a reason for Harry to face Voldemort mano-e-mano without outside interference.

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I don't think so. In the US, I've only heard midnight local time.

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He has to. He needs to die so Harry can stand on his own two feet, so to speak. Can't hide behind the big dude... and you have to find a reason for Harry to face Voldemort mano-e-mano without outside interference.

Do you remember the endings of the Sorcerer's Stone, the Chamber of Secrets, the Goblet of Fire, and the Order of the Phoenix?

It seems they've found plenty of time to face each other alone already.

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You know I've never listened to an audio-book. Probably would be smart... I'm notorious for failing to re-read books.


I would highly recommend it, especially if you can rent them/borrow them. Jim Dale does a superb job of voice-acting all the characters; listening to him, I actually find myself as much in the book as when watching the movie. My sister has them all on CD, and it's only a matter of time until I get an MP3 player and rip them all onto it.

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You can cross off OotP, because they didn't face off alone. Remember Dumbledore swoops in? As for the other books, Voldemort wasn't at full strength, until GoF, and Harry gets off by some luck.

If Harry and Voldemort ever have to fight alone against each other again, Dumbledore just looks more incompetant than he did in his speech at the end of OotP. If Dumbledore is alive, why in the Hell would he risk Harry even meeting Voldemort alone again?

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I pick up my daughter's pre-ordered copy at the mall tomorrow morning. Originally, she and her mother were supposed to be returning to the Philippines tomorrow afternoon; but their plans have changed, and now they won't be back until Tuesday. I, meanwhile, have sworn that my daughter will be the first of us to read HBP, but now I'll be all alone with it, all weekend.

This may be the toughest parenting challenge of my life...

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Just do what every parent does.... lie .

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Do you remember the endings of the Sorcerer's Stone, the Chamber of Secrets, the Goblet of Fire, and the Order of the Phoenix?


You can cross off OotP, because they didn't face off alone. Remember Dumbledore swoops in? As for the other books, Voldemort wasn't at full strength, until GoF, and Harry gets off by some luck.

If Harry and Voldemort ever have to fight alone against each other again, Dumbledore just looks more incompetant than he did in his speech at the end of OotP. If Dumbledore is alive, why in the Hell would he risk Harry even meeting Voldemort alone again?

I've pointed out three instances where Harry faces Voldemort entirely alone, and one where he faces Voldemort alone for quite some time until Dumbledore shows up.

That's a great scene, BTW. "It was foolish of you to come here tonight, Tom."

It's a possible theory for Book seven. But I doubt the Order can hold itself together long without Dumbledore. It would be interesting to see Severus Snape running the order for a year, but I doubt that will happen.

I'm not categorically denying that Dumbledore will die, but I don't think this is his book.

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I've pointed out three instances where Harry faces Voldemort entirely alone, and one where he faces Voldemort alone for quite some time until Dumbledore shows up.

That's a great scene, BTW. "It was foolish of you to come here tonight, Tom."


Two times where Voldemort was NOT fully formed. You can see Dumbledore's plan to train Harry by letting him learn it on his own. While Voldemort was not fully formed, you say, ok, the plan seems reasonable there (even though there are near missses).

The third time seems like incompetance by Dumbledore. He SHOULD have stepped it and it seems like he didn't even think Voldemort would try such a thing.

You would have expected Dumbledore to never allow that again... and he DOESN'T.

I just went back to the passage in OotP where Voldemort shows up. He doesn't face Voldemort AT ALL before Voldemort shows up. You are confusing it with Harry facing Bellatrix. Voldemort shows up, Bellatrix grovels, Voldemort looks to Harry and says "Avada Kevadra" and then Dumbledore intervenes. Harry doesn't fight Voldy alone.

It shows the Dumbledore has learned his lesson and won't be caught on his heels like in GoF again.

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I can also see it happening in Book 7, but there is a prediction of a big death in this one as well. It either has to be Lupin, a Weasley parent, or Dumbledore to be 'big' enough, IMO.

I think Dumbledore bites it at the very, very end of the book... providing a sad ending and a question of how the Order survives in the next book without him. A great cliffhanger.

Oh, if Dumbledore kicks it, I think Lupin would run the Order. He seemed to be second in charge in OotP.

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I say, let the chips fall where they may. I stopped wanting to argue about who would die, or who the Half-blood Prince was long ago; now I just want to pick up my book, and spend my Saturday reading it all.

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The arguing just gives us something to do until tomorrow at midnight .

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I think Dumbledore bites it at the very, very end of the book... providing a sad ending and a question of how the Order survives in the next book without him. A great cliffhanger.

That I can live with. But he goes down fighting, I assure you.

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The arguing just gives us something to do until tomorrow at midnight .


You could be cutting a lightning bolt into your forehead like a real fan

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That I can live with. But he goes down fighting, I assure you.


I'd like to see him go like Yoda... needing sleep .

I mean without the Philosopher's/Sorceror's Stone how long can he live? Has Flammel died yet?

I don't want to see Dumbledore get bested in a fight... I'm not sure what could take him. Maybe that is when Rowling introduces vampires into the main story . Or maybe he fights the entirety of the Death Eaters.

 
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