18-07-2005 21:14									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Standup I don't understand how some cartoon/animated breasts are such a big issue in a game about crime, killing and loads of violence. It seems to be a feature of the modern media that violence and killing in films or TV is ok but sexual references or even swearing is not.

1. This is not about nudity, or sexual references, or swearing. If whats been discussed on Quarter to Three is true, its a fairly hard core mini game in which you participate.

2. Crime killing and loads of violence? I dont know, as i havent played it, but whenever its been discussed here certain people assert that its not all that violent, you can play as a good guy, etc, etc. I rather doubt that Rockstar will defend themselves by asserting that the violence is worse than the sex

	18-07-2005 21:40									#32
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quote: The ESRB rules are that if you include content on the disk, youve got to tell them about it. Doesnt matter if its easily found. The question is intent, and reasonable limits. You CANT hold publishers responsible for every mod thats made, not without eliminating most moddability. You CAN hold them responsible for stuff that THEY code, and that THEY choose to include on a disk.

Ah, okay, well I agree with you about the fact that lawsuits should arise from non-notification of the ESRB.

BUT, if they had notified the ESRB, the game should not have been upgraded to AO from M because the content was locked/hidden.

And that's the extent of advisable legal action, as far as I'm concerned.

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quote: you can play as a good guy, etc, etc. I rather doubt that Rockstar will defend themselves by asserting that the violence is worse than the sex

That's almost impossible if you're a bad driver It's very easy to hit and kill pedestrians by accident.

And in order to be a vigilante and stop crime, you have to first steal a police car.

	19-07-2005 00:11									#33
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark its rated M for the violence. Which mean you must be over 17 to buy it. The sex would make it AO (Adults Only) which means you need to be over 18 to buy it.

That's pretty amazing. While that particular sex game looks fairly unhealthy to me, it's infinitely less so than the violence. I wonder why the sex would push back the minimal age more than violence

	19-07-2005 03:27									#34
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quote: The sex would make it AO (Adults Only) which means you need to be over 18 to buy it.

Not true. "Playboy: The Mansion" is rated "M" and it has similar things to what GTA: SA has (boobs and simulated sex without showing crotches).

	19-07-2005 15:33									#35
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quote: Not true. "Playboy: The Mansion" is rated "M" and it has similar things to what GTA: SA has (boobs and simulated sex without showing crotches).

That's why i don't really understand what all the fuss is about. The mainstream media seems to accept violence and mayhem in films and games but not nudity or sex. Considering the availability of sexual images everywhere in advertising, newspapers, internet, etc it seems an extreme reaction.

On a wider note though i've often wonderd about the lack of adult themes in games (excluding shooting people/aliens and so on). Leisure Suit Larry doesn't count but something like Vampire Bloodlines i think gained from having a more mature and darker approach if only because it's not so common.

	19-07-2005 17:25									#36
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quote: That's why i don't really understand what all the fuss is about. The mainstream media seems to accept violence and mayhem in films and games but not nudity or sex. Considering the availability of sexual images everywhere in advertising, newspapers, internet, etc it seems an extreme reaction.

...think of the children... puritan prudity.
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	19-07-2005 19:14									#37
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Hey Europeans - what did you guys do differently that caused your countries to not be so $^#ed up?

	19-07-2005 21:42									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The sex would make it AO (Adults Only) which means you need to be over 18 to buy it. Not true. "Playboy: The Mansion" is rated "M" and it has similar things to what GTA: SA has (boobs and simulated sex without showing crotches).

are you talking about what GTA:SA officially has, or the hidden material unlocked by this mod?

	20-07-2005 02:56									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Hey Europeans - what did you guys do differently that caused your countries to not be so $^#ed up?

We exported our worst #§^°-ups to America, and these people were the foundation of your country

	20-07-2005 21:11									#40
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	20-07-2005 22:21									#41
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark The ESRB rules are that if you include content on the disk, youve got to tell them about it. Doesnt matter if its easily found. The question is intent, and reasonable limits. You CANT hold publishers responsible for every mod thats made, not without eliminating most moddability. You CAN hold them responsible for stuff that THEY code, and that THEY choose to include on a disk.

Can't believe people are still arguing against this.