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Az is offline Az
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The world isn't black or white, dude.



I agree. Doesn't change the fact that black is black, and white is white, and that's the only definition for them. THe fact that something is pretty dark doesn't make it black, but it sure as hell doesn't make it white, either.

It's not a matter of definition, and it's not a matter of perspective. The fact is that some people can live with somewhat less freedom. It's not because they "define freedom differently".

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Huh, Az you bastard.

I called up someone who I value their opinion and asked them the same question. This topic made me think enough where I wanted more views. They basically said that what it boils down to is the ignorance of the individual, people, or society.

My point of playing devil's advocate was lost in the debate. Hence, I have to concede that maybe your overall "definition" or "belief" is the dominant one.



Rrrrrg.

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The world isn't black or white, dude.


I agree. Doesn't change the fact that black is black, and white is white, and that's the only definition for them. THe fact that something is pretty dark doesn't make it black, but it sure as hell doesn't make it white, either.

It's not a matter of definition, and it's not a matter of perspective. The fact is that some people can live with somewhat less freedom. It's not because they "define freedom differently".




If only you were a capitalist, you'd rule completely

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To answer the question, I don't believe anyone wants oppression, but most people would enjoy having good leadership.

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QFT

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Huh, Az you bastard.


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Hence, I have to concede that maybe your overall "definition" or "belief" is the dominant one.


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If only you were a capitalist, you'd rule completely


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Yeah yeah yeah, ok ok ok. Lucky I wanted to get varying points of view. Lucky I can admit faults, comrade.

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Not a problem - having an opinion open to change is not a fault. It's a virtue.

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Not a problem - having an opinion open to change is not a fault. It's a virtue.


Wisea**.

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People as a whole don't like change, so if they got an oppressive regime and their lives aren't too bad they'd rather stick with it than go revolutionary which will bring more hardships.

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Franky obviously likes to be dominated.

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Most humans want to be dominated . It is difficult to break out of the habit ( almost every institution tries to strengthen the habit ) , but it can be done .

How else do you think the many are controlled by the few ?

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Why did this become a serious discussion?

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Stewie left...

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We just wanted to piss you off, Kuci.

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There are likely individuals who receive satisfaction from being oppressed, but this is probably due to something warped in their upbringing rather than a genetic trait (though you never know) - this person had domineering parents, never broke past those psychological barriers, so find themselves less stressed when "oppressed" than not. This is an aberration, though.

As other posters have stated, there's a continuum between absolute freedom and absolute control, and while some freaks want one or the other, the vast majority want something in between, most likely outside (governmental or tyrannical) control over big issues (national security, etc.) and freedom over smaller, personal issues (who they can sleep with, where they can work.)

But just as an individual can be afraid to make decisions for themselves, a nation is made of groups of individuals, and a nation (or culture) can have something akin to a maturity level, and a fear of certain decisions. Tack on a history of tyranny, and a nation may well be so afraid of making its own large-scale decisions that it "prefers" a strong leader to do so.

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I for one love to be oppressed then. I kinda like the perspective that I can't kill people, even when I want to. That's because the ban applies to everybody else, andd thus is beneficial to me as well.

Oppression


It's not binary.


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Hey Provost, can you do "I'd hit it " in binary?

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Probably not

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I'll come up with it myself, no problem

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Here we go!!!!!

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Indeed

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The joke was overdone in the middle of the first post that made it.

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Well, old grumps like to lose rights only relevant to young people. There's a certain I-can't-go-on-an-all-night-dancing-rave-and-then-have-a-hot-orgy-with-four-partners-and-a-chocolate-cake-so-neither-should-you about it.

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St Leo, you obviously know little about the lives of some "old people". More power to them, btw.

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I apologize for generalizing.

 
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