18-07-2005 06:52									#1
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here's the 2179 tech situation:

We have the following technologies that the others lack (list is what the Gaians lack. The ones that Morgan lacks are marked thus (*) lacks, and (#) are the ones that the Angels lack:

• Superconductor
  
• Nonlinear Math
  
• Advanced Subatomic Theory (*)(#)
  
• Polysoft
  
• Doc Inititiative (*) (#)
  
• Intellectual Integrity (*)
  
• Cyberethics (*)
  
• Planetary Economics (*) (#)
  
• Optical Computers
  
• Progenitor Psych
  
• Field Modulation
  
• Adaptive Doctrine
  
• Adaptive Economics

	18-07-2005 12:16									#2
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Well then, it looks like snagging the HSA will be well-nigh impossible, no?

	18-07-2005 15:47									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Zeiter Well then, it looks like snagging the HSA will be well-nigh impossible, no?

NO!
I say we should make everything possible to get it (counting on a little luck). We should arrive at AMA before the Angels arrive at PSA, and then we'll cash the 2 AAs. If one of them give us PSA...
But we should be ready to instabuild it then.
And IMO, we shouldn't rely on Zak for this one. I hope we can cut one or two turns by building the Hospital at AU and the Forest at Fort Sup.

What's more interesting is the defusing of a conspiracy theory. The fact that Gaians and Morgan are currently researching the same tech proves that there's no coordination between them (even when they're pacted!).
The same can be said concerning Morgan and Angels, seeing that they don't share their results.
That's good news!

	18-07-2005 19:45									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Morgan: Bio-Engineering

How about a switch? We give them PlanEcon and the right to adopt Ascetic Virtue. We get BioEng and the right to research the Longevity Vaccine.

	18-07-2005 21:35									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac How about a switch? We give them PlanEcon and the right to adopt Ascetic Virtue. We get BioEng and the right to research the Longevity Vaccine.

I'd say Yes.
It's an easy way to screw the Angels without breaking our word. Morgan doesn't seem to be a threat at the moment and -2 drones for us would be much appreciated.
More to it, it would be another tech taken before cashing the AAs.
I think Morgan will jump on this opportunity.

(Speaking of drones, how long does it take for a captured base to be 'assimilated', and when will our ex-University bases be?)

	18-07-2005 22:32									#6
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And when we research AMA, we can give it to Zak, and hopefully Zak will start working on something new that we won't have that he can then give us.

Yeah, go for the Morgan tech swap. :b

As far as assimilating citizens, I think it takes 50 years for citizens to be fully assimilated, no?

	19-07-2005 04:21									#7
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Posted to the Embassy:

quote: extracted from Googlie's post in the Morgan Embassy To: The Corporation From: The Federation Date: MY 2180 Subject: Normalization of relations between our factions; resumption of technology trading ************************************************* Now that we have been at peace for several years, and given that the Federation will be pre-occupied for several more in consolidating our hold - and build-out - on Southern Arcadia, we would like to propose a normalization of relations between our factions, with 2 proposals: Firstly - an upgrading of our status to Treaty from Truce (given the number of paired bases that each of us has, the resulting commerce income to our respective factions should be significant) and secondly: a technology trade of Planetary Economics from the Federation to the Corporation, in exchange for a return trade of Bio-Engineering from the Corporation to the Federation (a corollary to this latter trade would be that the Corporation could construct the Ascetic Virtues Special project, offsetting your population penalty - we have committed to our friends, the Data Angels, not to build this SP, otherwise we would have, while we, in turn, could construct the Longevity Vaccine, which is more useful to the Federation, running Planned, than to the Corporation, running Free Market.) Is the Corporation interested in this exchange? Colonel Googlie ..... on behalf of the Federation

	12-08-2005 06:12									#8
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The Hive is pacted with the University.

	12-08-2005 12:15									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac The Hive is pacted with the University.

Sweet.

	12-08-2005 14:40									#10
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Mega-cool!
Thus, they both will get more credits and thus take less time to research. All benefits for us!

Add to this that "the friends of our friends are our friends"...I hope!

	12-08-2005 18:26									#11
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well, yes, but we'll have to watch now what we give (tech-wise) to Zak lest it finds its way to Yang and gets pilfered by the others from the Hive

	13-08-2005 00:06									#12
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Ecostats: MY 2183

Spartans:
Minerals/turn - 233
Minrows/turn (Minrow=10) - 23.3
ECs/turn - 32
Labs/turn - 140.4

Zakharov:
Minerals/turn - 24
Minrows/turn (Minrow=6) - 4
ECs/turn - 13
Labs/turn - 74.2

Morgan:
Minerals/turn - 180
Minrows/turn (Minrow=9) - 20
ECs/turn - 206
Labs/turn - 153

Last edited by Zeiter on 13-08-2005 at 01:18

	13-08-2005 00:23									#13
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Great info!

Btw, our credit production is somewhat lower IIRC - I assume you forgot to set production to something else than stockpile energy

	13-08-2005 00:51									#14
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Btw, are those minerals productions before or after support costs have been deducted?

	13-08-2005 01:15									#15
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Those are all after support costs have been deducted.

Ah, I'll edit the Energy credit info to take into account the stockpile energy thing.

	13-08-2005 01:17									#16
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It seems Morgan's economy is still about as large as ours.

	13-08-2005 01:25									#17
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Yes, Morgan is still proving to be mighty. But we do have Zak helping us out a little, so we can factor some of that in as well.

BTW, I think our population is officially the largest this turn. 122 vs. 120 for Yang.

Wow, I hadn't realized how strong Yang was. He's got decent mineral production. He's even using a crawler to crawl 4 mins from a mine! He has aerospace complexes out the wazoo. He will be a tough nut to crack when the time comes for it.

	13-08-2005 04:50									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Zeiter He (Yang) will be a tough nut to crack when the time comes for it.

yes, but .......................... when we have pop-boomed to the max, then change to POLICE, Sheng-Ji will slip the ring on Pactmate Corrie's finger and we'll go hand-in-hand into a transcendent future

	19-08-2005 21:13									#19
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Zak seems to have changed to war mode. Building a missile penetrator and a destroyer transport... while he's still at war with Morgan.

	19-08-2005 21:19									#20
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When, how and why did the Angels start giving payments to the University?

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	20-08-2005 02:37									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac When, how and why did the Angels start giving payments to the University?

Hmm - we missed that - they borrowed 200 credits last year - here's the 2183 startturn pic:

	20-08-2005 04:00									#22
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Now the question is - do we send a trannie with 2 or 3 longstriders and steal cash from the Angels? - it's ours anyway, by default

But that's a lesson to us - we should never again let Zak accumulate so much cash that he can loan it to anyone

	20-08-2005 04:21									#23
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Won't this also mean we could soon see all of Zak's tech in Angel hands?

	20-08-2005 06:29									#24
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Prolly yes.

But although the Angels never did accept our diktat of "no dealings with Zak except thru us" (whereas Morgan and the Gaians have, as in both instances with them when we ask Zak to stop the vendetta, he replies that it is Morgan/Deirdre who started it - and neither has attempted to contact Zak since we issued our decree) we assumed that the Angels were covertly complying, if not acknowledging it openly.

But obviously not.

So what do we do - if nothing, then our sabre-rattling is just posturing.

Can we afford a vendetta against the Angels? A PTS-type raid? (against Enigma Machine - home of both the Virtual World and the Cyborg Factory!!!)

To be continued in the War Council thread

	20-08-2005 06:40									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Prolly yes.

One way to stop it happening - but it would spawn the Angels' AI declaring vendetta on us - would be to bully Zak into declaring vendetta

Here's a diplo-reload of the old 2183 turn:

	14-09-2005 21:22									#26
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The Angels are producing 169 minerals, with an extra 28 used for support.

	14-09-2005 22:28									#27
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It would be nice to be able to get these stats quicker than having to count them by hand. I hear somebody reverse-engineered the save file format, these kinds of statistics would be a breeze to generate with those capabilities ... Oh well, wishful thinking