18-07-2005 10:08									#1
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As posted by Emperor:

quote: Any team that exceeds the time limit of twenty-four (24) hours in playing their turn shall recieve some form of consequences/punishment for each offence. (The details of the consequences/punishment will be decided after this poll has concluded, if the majority vote is "yes".)

Once teams decide whether or not they want a rule, then we could go back and discuss what we should do to enforce it. It could be that the first ?? offenses go without punishment and the next ?? get this or that punishment. There could also be admin verified excuses/legitimate reasons for a save not being played with the 24 hour period.

Basically, do we want to institute some kind of 24 hour rule so this game does not suffer from attrition?

5 days to vote on it.

	18-07-2005 11:24									#2
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48 hours is better than 24.

	18-07-2005 11:48									#3
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I dont like agreeing to this, without first knowing the penalties.

	18-07-2005 12:26									#4
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The penalties could be:

"You lose one worker turn."
"You lose one turn."
"You lose one city."
"You lose one WF for one turn in one city"
"You get civil disorder in one city."
"You must disband one worker."

	18-07-2005 12:31									#5
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yes, of course
I thought this limit was a rule from the first round

	18-07-2005 16:07									#6
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I think a new poll is going to be needed:

quote: Yes; No; Discuss the punishments first, then decide to implement it.

	18-07-2005 17:43									#7
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I am against. 48 hours would make sense, not less.

	18-07-2005 17:48									#8
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Decide penalties first, then vote on if it should be implemented.

	18-07-2005 19:10									#9
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Aye. 24 hours would be nice but I can think of too many legitimate reasons and possibilties for why a team wouldn't be able to play within that time. 48 hours is better.

	18-07-2005 22:34									#10
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Well, I'm all for it if we can ask for an extension at the UN whenever we need it. Is that the case right now? I remember CFC did it a couple of times in round one.

	18-07-2005 22:48									#11
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quote: Originally posted by RegentMan Well, I'm all for it if we can ask for an extension at the UN whenever we need it. Is that the case right now? I remember CFC did it a couple of times in round one.

That could very well be the case. This is just to see if we want "any" sort of 24 hour rule at all. It is a preliminary to gauge any interest.

	18-07-2005 23:08									#12
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Yes - but i'm not sure i like any of those conditions. C3CDG has done okay with mod-skipping turns being a penalty (tho i'm not sure we've actually used it, but most players play w/in 24 hours or warn us - and that's with one team being a single person and one team being two people on one extreme, and one team being like 20 players on the other)

	18-07-2005 23:23									#13
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I have to vote against this. With a game like this with high stakes, people will both need time to properly decide a course of action. Additionally, any sort of punishment for something so trivial at this level where lots of micromanaging is the norm will undoubtedly set back any team several turns, and I don't think any victory would be properly earned if we happened to gain an upper hand because our opponents sent the turn in five minutes too late.

	18-07-2005 23:27									#14
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A team then could hold the save indefinately.

What I'm most worried about is attrition through lack of interest brought on by slow turn arounds of the save. It has killed many a game. Can you think of a PBEM that died because pople just frankly lost interest because they were not getting the save on a regular basis? I think everyone can and that is sad.

	18-07-2005 23:57									#15
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Go ahead and propose 48 hours, then.

	19-07-2005 00:05									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Krill I think a new poll is going to be needed: quote: Yes; No; Discuss the punishments first, then decide to implement it.

Better:

quote: Yes; No; Discuss the punishments first, then decide to implement it; Not within 24 hours? You loose one Banana! (abstain).

	19-07-2005 02:57									#18
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No. I can see too many situations in which 24 hours is not good enough.

	19-07-2005 03:29									#19
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48 hours

	19-07-2005 06:08									#20
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I voted yes on this poll, since it appears that 6.2 of the rules covers exceptions that may be made to the time limit, and 24 hours would presumably keep it going more smoothly.

	19-07-2005 09:06									#21
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quote: Each team is to make every effort to play their turn within 24 hours of receipt. Each team also acknowledges that RL does sometimes interfere with the play of the save and extension of this to 48 hours will be allowed, with at least some warning from any team player (if not the team leaders/Un Rep) that this has/will happen. Also, this extension can be used for: last minute Poll results; Last minute diplomatic efforts; orders not getting posted due to RL Again, a courtesy post would be required. At no time, would any team use an extension to hold a save on purpose, slowing the game to create situations of disinterest in opposing teams. An Extreme Extension, beyond 48 hours woud be granted, under emergency situations, like Host servers crashing for extended periods. Posting of details of Emergency and possible time of return to play must be made by one of the teams's players, if Leaders/Rep haven't already done so. Game Admins will either grant or refuse this extension. All extensions would be verified by Game Admins.

I think that would cover most things.

E_T

	19-07-2005 11:29									#22
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I think it should simply be a 24 hour limit, with extensions available if you ask for one by the time the limit's up. Round 1's turns went by quickly and this is basically what we used (can't speak for your round 1 game).

	19-07-2005 16:29									#23
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quote: Originally posted by E_T I think that would cover most things. E_T

I do prefer 48 hours, bus I agree qith E_T.