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JimmyCracksCorn
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Dec 2002
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Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
switzerland has consumption problems. the legal drinking age for beer and wine is 16, but 80% of 15 year olds say they have drank within the last month. that is one of the highest rates in europe.
we also smoke a lot of weed. over half of 16 year olds have, and 20% of 13 year olds have. last year, some 15 politicians in the canton of berne admitted that they smoke weed regularly.
You can ggrow weed/hemp, but its not legal in switzerland to consume to get high. you can still sell it has industrial stuff, or for scents, or decoration (also, enforcement depeds on the canton. in the french part, it is very tight enforcment, and in the german part it is much laxer) there are some runblimgs about attaching cigarettes and alocohol in the drug category and thus having the same law for all of those things. |
Why do you always talk about Switzerland as if you live there?
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
spiff brought it up earlier,plus i AM gonna be living there in two weeks, im moving, plus i have citizenship, plus im half swiss. |
Well, I plan on retiring to northern Mexico in 30 years, so why don't I just start speaking on behalf of all Mexicans.
But seriously, I'd say you need to live at least 5 years in a place before you can justify using "we". Until then, citizenship or not, you're just pretending.
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Snotty
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Are you half Mexican?
I was brought up my parents who were Londoners, but didnt live there till I was 17...Still had enough cultural saturation and paid a lot more attention to the news to know what was going on there a hell of a lot better than anywhere else
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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Lets face it, LOA. You've never lived in Switzerland. You're American.
Being "half swiss" means nothing, blood lines mean nothing. I'm half Irish, so does that give me the right to start speaking on behalf of all residents of Ireland? And say I had a piece of paper saying I was a citizen of Ireland - never having lived there - would that change anything? Absolutely not. I've never lived in Ireland, therefore I have almost no notion of what its like to live in Ireland.
What I'm saying is, taking a strong interest is fine, but going so far as to say "we" is just misleading.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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riiiight, because 30 years and two weeks are both in the same ballpark |
And yes they are. The fact remains that neither one of us live there, or have ever lived there, up to this point in time. 30 years or 1 minute, its the same thing.
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Lawrence of Arabia
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of the Gulag Archipelago
Apr 2001
time: 06:37
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Lets face it, LOA. You've never lived in Switzerland. You're American.
Being "half swiss" means nothing, blood lines mean nothing. I'm half Irish, so does that give me the right to start speaking on behalf of all residents of Ireland? And say I had a piece of paper saying I was a citizen of Ireland - never having lived there - would that change anything? Absolutely not. I've never lived in Ireland, therefore I have almost no notion of what its like to live in Ireland.
What I'm saying is, taking a strong interest is fine, but going so far as to say "we" is just misleading. |
having citizenship changes everything - im expected to kill for switzerland if we ever get in a war. i can get a job, i can live there without hassel. i have voted, so I have a say in government. i have a place of origin - if i ever get into any type of trouble, that commune is forced by law to take me in and protect me even though I have never visited my place of origin in switzerland. (which is not uncommon, these places of origin have nothing to do where you were born but were fixed a long long time ago, where your far removed ancestors came from.) I cannot be extradicted without my consent. and who do I share these in common with? the rest of the citizens in that country. so it is we. we share a common thing (i even speak their language/dialect, eat the same foods they do.)
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And yes they are. The fact remains that neither one of us live there, or have ever lived there, up to this point in time. 30 years or 1 minute, its the same thing. |
you have no affiliation with mexico, presently, or in the next year. do you speak spanish? have you ever gone on vacation there? do your relatives live there? i can move around switzerland and no one would know that i'm an american; i would have no difficulty. can you say that about yourself in mexico? thats the difference between 30 years and two weeks.
Last edited by Lawrence of Arabia on 19-07-2005 at 02:19
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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i can move around switzerland and no one would know that i'm an american; |
Right.
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you have no affiliation with mexico, presently, or in the next year. do you speak spanish? have you ever gone on vacation there? |
I've gone every year for the past five, travelling extensively through most of the country. I can also speak Spanish proficiently. I guess I must be practically Mexican.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
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Lets be real, LoA. Until you share the worldview of the average Swiss resident (which is impossible since you've never lived there), you're about as Swiss as I am Brazilian.
The legal right to live and work in a country because of paternal or maternal blood lines means nothing outside of a legal framework. Being a member of a society is more than just a legal thing.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
do you look mexican? no? you stick out like a sore thumb. do you have family in mexico? no? do you have mexican citizenship? no? can you work in mexico or live in mexico without the need to ask the government? no? |
Tell me what a Swiss person looks like.
And actually, thats pretty presumptious. I said I was half Irish, not what the other half was.
When all is said and done, LoA, you're not a member of Swiss society, nor have you ever been. That would require living there, or at least visiting - at least once. When all is said and done, you're just an American with ties to Switzerland.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
LoA isn't even a real Canadian, for that matter. He's just an American pretending to be one. |
I live here, and have lived here for almost a decade.
LoA has never set foot in Switzerland.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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LoA. My girlfriend is a Newfoundlander. I don't need government permission to work and travel in Newfoundland. I follow Newfoundland news. As someone of Irish decent, I wouldn't look any different than anyone else there. I even know lots of Newfoundland slang.
Does that make me a Newfoundlander? No.
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