19-07-2005 10:10									#31
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because what these world needs

is more of older men with money and knowledge of the world, to prey on young women..

and I would expect that there is some (but not as much) the other way as well

as what happened here.. (But I would have been happy to tap that at 14)

Jon Miller

	19-07-2005 12:32									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler We should place her under house arrest. The only question is, whose house??

	19-07-2005 13:30									#33
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I'm a bit traumatized because it never happened to me.

	19-07-2005 13:33									#34
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A decent judge would let her off if she PROMISED not to do it again, plus some other... things.

	19-07-2005 13:42									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Winston A decent judge would let her off if she PROMISED not to do it again, plus some other... things.

I don't think that will work...

quote: The boy told investigators he and the teacher had sex in a classroom, her house and once in a vehicle while his 15-year-old cousin drove. He said Lafave told him her marriage was in trouble and that she was aroused by the fact that having sex with him was not allowed.

	19-07-2005 19:25									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Bkeela I would gladly have been molested by her as a kid. Stupid laws.

I think the legal system needs to distinguish between post-pubescent statutory rape and pre-pubescent statutory rape.

	19-07-2005 21:22									#37
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I agree, there is a huge difference between having sex with a 7 yearold and having sex with a 14 yearold

one is not OK because of power issues, and how we (as a culture) treat people as kids until they are 18 (or older)

the other is no OK period

JM

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It is my opinion that the age of consent be lowered for males . We're built to f*** earlier in life ( sexual peak it between 16 and 20 , IIRC ) .

Point is , the feminists will then lobby to have the female age of consent lowered . I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing .

	19-07-2005 22:55									#39
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actually, females reach sexual maturity before males..

and are generally more mature

18 or 16 is a good age, I think, expecially with culture as it is (where parents take care of their kids sometimes until their kids are 30)

JM

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Age of consent has more to do with judgement than sexual potency. Our culture overencourages males and underencourages females when it comes to sex, so teenage males are likelier than teenage females to do stupid things when the age of consent is lowered to include them. Sex is good all around, but immature individuals are likelier to do stupid things like risk stds and pregnancy.

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It's the defense attorney's job to do whatever it can to avoid or minimize penalties for the client. A tactic like "she's just too gosh-darn pretty to go to jail!" may be stupid, but it's valid for their purpose. Logic and emotions are often both utilized, by both the prosecution and defense. Juries are weird, they just may buy it.

	19-07-2005 23:08									#42
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LaFave bike pic.

I'd hit it.

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	19-07-2005 23:10									#43
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quote: Originally posted by ajbera LaFave bike pic. I'd hit it.

For sure - that machine just looks hot !

	19-07-2005 23:22									#44
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Age of consent has more to do with judgement than sexual potency. Our culture overencourages males and underencourages females when it comes to sex, so teenage males are likelier than teenage females to do stupid things when the age of consent is lowered to include them. Sex is good all around, but immature individuals are likelier to do stupid things like risk stds and pregnancy.

and have emotional trouble

which is something that so many seem to ignore..

the (wo)man who gets into a bad relationship when young could hvae their future relationships colored by that

besides the years being emotionally exploited and the like

while it happens to people of all ages, it happens far more to the young

JM

	19-07-2005 23:24									#45
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quote: Originally posted by ajbera It's the defense attorney's job to do whatever it can to avoid or minimize penalties for the client. A tactic like "she's just too gosh-darn pretty to go to jail!" may be stupid, but it's valid for their purpose. Logic and emotions are often both utilized, by both the prosecution and defense. Juries are weird, they just may buy it.

The funny thing is that Americans seem to think that clueless juries improve the administration of justice.

	19-07-2005 23:33									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist The funny thing is that Americans seem to think that clueless juries improve the administration of justice.

Well, the same is true of voting, it's a system that's open to most people, regardless of intelligence, wisdom, bias, etc. At least with juries there are attempts to mitigate some of this, but often unsuccessfully. One of the disadvantages of a democracy, I suppose.

	20-07-2005 05:01									#47
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Tsk- women don't rape (politically correct version)

	20-07-2005 05:21									#48
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quote: Originally posted by ajbera It's the defense attorney's job to do whatever it can to avoid or minimize penalties for the client. A tactic like "she's just too gosh-darn pretty to go to jail!" may be stupid, but it's valid for their purpose. Logic and emotions are often both utilized, by both the prosecution and defense. Juries are weird, they just may buy it.

Valid maybe, but stupid is right. Jury members Ms. Plain Jane or Mrs. Ugly Hag would more likely hear, "you 2 are ugly enough for prison, but not my client." And some other jury members might find it insults their intelligence. It has more potential to backfire than anything.

It seems more likely he said that to the reporters after the hearing just for publicity. That's hardly the only emotional tactic, much less a good one. And perhaps he's clueless, attorneys can be weird too.

	20-07-2005 05:25									#49
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quote: Originally posted by ajbera Well, the same is true of voting, it's a system that's open to most people, regardless of intelligence, wisdom, bias, etc. At least with juries there are attempts to mitigate some of this, but often unsuccessfully. One of the disadvantages of a democracy, I suppose.

Do you really think that you have a problem with hopeless voters in US ? Unless I'm wrong, then you are in that lucky situation that only 60 % of your voters is active - try to figure out what hell we have here where 80-90 % of the voters use their rights !!!

Actually, it 's pretty hard to elect a government based upon those that know better under such circumstances.

	20-07-2005 05:57									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit Tsk- women don't rape (politically correct version)

A Left poltician here had a funny proposal last autumn that would a) redefine rape so-that only women can be raped, and b) introduce reverse burden of proof in rape cases.

The Left Party, supposedly, champions gender equality and Enlightenment principles of justice.

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller and have emotional trouble which is something that so many seem to ignore.. the (wo)man who gets into a bad relationship when young could hvae their future relationships colored by that besides the years being emotionally exploited and the like while it happens to people of all ages, it happens far more to the young JM

Bingo! A lot of guys here are turned on by the idea of nailing their teachers when they were 15 or whatever, but the reality of the situation is that the 15 year old is likely to be overwhelmed by the experience in a way that will be hard to overcome. If you are still turned on by this in your 20s, imagine how it would be when you are 15. You'd fall in love for the first time with a crazy woman (and it might take some time to get over just the sense of loss), and going back to your own peer group for nervous kisses etc. is going to be pretty dull in comparison. Unfortunately it is exactly that sort of thing you need in order to develop normally.

	20-07-2005 13:31									#52
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo I think the legal system needs to distinguish between post-pubescent statutory rape and pre-pubescent statutory rape.

I think that the legislature would likely make a complete hash of it (zero tolerance, war on sex, mandatory sentencing, no strikes and you're dead, etc.), though in a perfect world it would indeed be the solution. Fortunately here in the U.S. from what I have seen most judges do an excellent job of sussing out who can be rehabilitated and who cannot and sentencing them accordingly. I've been pleasantly surprised by this.

Sexual abuse cases against women are rare, and the women who perpetrate these sorts of crimes are on average a lot more mentally ill than the men who do so. That could pose some problems for judges if they begin to sentence them accordingly, as it might appear to some that they are being discriminated against.

	20-07-2005 15:33									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist A Left poltician here had a funny proposal last autumn that would a) redefine rape so-that only women can be raped, and b) introduce reverse burden of proof in rape cases. The Left Party, supposedly, champions gender equality and Enlightenment principles of justice.

It seems that many Nordic-germanic feminists believe in reverse sexism. They call it "gender mainstreaming", which is basically the affirmation of new sexual prejudices, this time positive for women.

	20-07-2005 15:52									#54
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she is now going to try an insanity plea

	20-07-2005 17:06									#55
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quote: Originally posted by pchang she is now going to try an insanity plea

Not a good move. I predict "Chained Heat II".

	20-07-2005 17:43									#56
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IIRC there was a case some years ago where a judge refused to send a small white guy to the pen for the same reason.

	20-07-2005 17:45									#57
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Best tactic would probably be for her to claim something emotional - instability, insecurity, frailty, scarring. Anything emotional. It's tried and tested wrt. getting women off the hook. It's like a female race card.

	21-07-2005 00:58									#58
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Seriously?!? Where were those hot teachers when I was 14 years old?? Sheesh some people get all the luck

	21-07-2005 00:59									#59
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quote: Originally posted by ajbera LaFave bike pic. I'd hit it.

Ah only if I could be that seat

	21-07-2005 01:39									#60
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What's with the mass drooling anyways? She's above average. Could pass for a Walmart clothing model. That's not really that uncommon.

Perhaps I am less excited by blonde aryans than most, but I don't view her attractiveness as exceptional even by prison standards.