19-07-2005 10:22									#1
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Should we start thinking about a CoC or just wait until the next election cycle?

E_T

	19-07-2005 11:13									#2
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I'm not AWOL, as the other Consuls know. I was checking back for a few minutes a day, but all my extended family was in, and even using my computer for hours on end. I was basically without computer access until now, because they have fortunatelly left. I'm ready to get back into action.

	19-07-2005 11:58									#3
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Great news - we're glad to have you back in your full facilities.

I wonder, though - should we consider appointing a deputy Consul to fill in during situations like this?

	19-07-2005 15:16									#4
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yah, we ought to elect a deputy consul.

	19-07-2005 19:18									#5
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we have three conculs just for that reason

	19-07-2005 19:28									#6
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if one consul goes AWOL, then we are left with only 2 consuls, and if both of those consuls are at loggerheads, no decision can be made.

The deputy Consul, would, in this case, thake the position of the temporaily departed Consul, so that a decision can be reached.

	19-07-2005 19:43									#7
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Sounds like a need for a admendment

E_T

	20-07-2005 03:06									#8
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Ba. In case of arguement, the minister most appropriate (and the loudest) will decide. Screw the excessive mumble jumple legal crap.

	20-07-2005 04:37									#9
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Ba. In case of arguement, the minister most appropriate (and the loudest) will decide. Screw the excessive mumble jumple legal crap.

I'm with GK. We have 3 consuls for a reason. We have made due with 3 just fine even if one of them takes a momentary leave of absence.

Glad to see you're back in action LN.

	20-07-2005 06:30									#10
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Ba. In case of arguement, the minister most appropriate (and the loudest) will decide. Screw the excessive mumble jumple legal crap.

And if two Consuls go missing?

Just call me Caesar.

	20-07-2005 08:54									#11
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Just don't let Brutus find you!

	20-07-2005 09:08									#12
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Stay in front of me, please, BigFree.

	20-07-2005 09:15									#13
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HAHAHA!!

	20-07-2005 11:00									#15
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I'LL be the one to get behind him.

Too bad it's not MZ....

E_T

	20-07-2005 12:30									#16
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if two of the consuls disappear, we would start elections and appoint new people on their places

If there are not enough candidates, then we will forfeit. Simple and clear (IMO)

Otherwise we should get a ranking system for the team saying "if this one disappears for a week, the next in the listreplaces him" and the list could be eupdated monthly, etc.

Bullsh!t, isn't it? Let's keep it as simple as possible. I have never understood why the people want to have titles. If someone wants he may contribute for the team even if he is not a consul, a minster or something else.

	20-07-2005 22:05									#17
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quote: Originally posted by ormuzd if two of the consuls disappear, we would start elections and appoint new people on their places If there are not enough candidates, then we will forfeit. Simple and clear (IMO) Otherwise we should get a ranking system for the team saying "if this one disappears for a week, the next in the listreplaces him" and the list could be eupdated monthly, etc. Bullsh!t, isn't it? Let's keep it as simple as possible. I have never understood why the people want to have titles. If someone wants he may contribute for the team even if he is not a consul, a minster or something else.

If we decided not to have titles, we would surely lose.

	21-07-2005 08:09									#18
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quote: Originally posted by ormuzd if two of the consuls disappear, we would start elections and appoint new people on their places If there are not enough candidates, then we will forfeit. Simple and clear (IMO) Otherwise we should get a ranking system for the team saying "if this one disappears for a week, the next in the listreplaces him" and the list could be eupdated monthly, etc. Bullsh!t, isn't it? Let's keep it as simple as possible. I have never understood why the people want to have titles. If someone wants he may contribute for the team even if he is not a consul, a minster or something else.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here but if you are unhappy with our Constitution you could always suggest an amendement or two or three for it. Once discussion has been had, then you can have the amendment polled to either make the amenedment official(if it passes) or have the idea rejected by the team.

I invite anyone who thinks we should be doing this in another way to make the choice of doing something about it in a constructive manner.

	21-07-2005 11:35									#19
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My opinion is we don't need deputy consul

We have already 3 turn players - more than in a regular DG where we had a president and a vice president; more than some of the other teams which have only one turn player

Additionally, if I'm not wrong, the ministers are allowed to play the turns (like Godking has done it once for the first round of this contest).

There will be a plenty of work once we meet other teams and everyone who wants may get involved without the need to be elected.

IMO having three consuls and 4 minsters is enough for elections.

	21-07-2005 23:40									#20
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Legally, the Minister is not supposed to play the turn.

And I also found this, when looking at the constitution.

quote: 8. A Consul may appoint a replacement Consul for himself for up to a two week period of time so that vacations and other such short term absences won't interupt the game. Before the absence the Consul shall start a thread naming a replacement and the replacement shall accept before it is considered official. Upon returning from the absence, the Consul needs only to post that he has returned and state that he is relieving the replacement of his duties in order to reclaim the Consulship. The replacement Consul has all powers and responsibilities of a regular Consul except that he may not call a CoC on himself nor may any other team member call a CoC on the replacement.

	21-07-2005 23:49									#21
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Well, what do people think of an alteration to the constitution that allows the MOW and MOI to play the save?

	21-07-2005 23:52									#22
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Hmm... The MoW isn't the most important minister for most of the game, so I'd feel more comfortable to just let the MoI play, if we were going to let Ministers play at all.

	22-07-2005 07:00									#23
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My understanding of it is...

The Consuls are turn players and must make decisions when there is a lack of agreement. They must take the advice of the ministers and the rest of the team into account, but in some situations they have to make a decision and run with it.

I am not at all certain that we want to muddy this up.

	22-07-2005 08:05									#24
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As long as WE (the rest of the team) knows about the absence of a Consul, then we will be fine.

I wouldn't have posted this, If I had known that you were just Lurking.

But we do need to be kept up with what the Consuls are doing. It may mean the difference when their Seat comes up for election... If they are doing things, but not showing them, then we need to have some Idea as to that.

This remineds me of something that happened in PTWISDG. Dominae had posted a CoC on MrWIA, because he was doing a lot of stuff, via PM and chat with other consuls, but not posting. It had seemed that he had gone AWOL. Caused some problems becuase of it, but it was finally smoothed over.

E_T

	22-07-2005 08:39									#25
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Ah yes, I remember when that happened.