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Parental License: Good Idea? (Time out:0 days after 20-07-2005, 01:12)
Yes, parenting should be a privilege, not a right
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Bill3000 is offline Bill3000
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Once again I am bored, and thus, I am starting a new semi-controversal thread.

What do you think of this: Parenting would no longer be a fundamental right, but rather a privilege. In order to raise children, the parent(s) must prove themselves to be worthy of being able to raise their kids right. Have a test or whatnot to prove that the proto-parents have the skills, stability, and morality needed to be good parents.

I'd think that, if done properly, it would help society a lot. What do you think?

(Don't kill me please )

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I agree in principle.

In practice, however, you're opening up a big ol' can of worms. Tis but a short step from this to an eugenics program, which won't make many people happy.

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What JohnT said I've always felt that parenting should be treated as a priviledge, but I don't think it could be implemented practically.

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Yeah, sorta like communism. Good on paper, bad in reality.

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And prefer faith based institutions taking care of those children...

Leaving people left to the mercy of yet another standardized test. I'm sure you can learn the answers which proves nothing about one's morality. At any rate, I wouldn't want some comission to judge my "morality". Maybe put in there a Catholic bishop and I wouldn't see my child again...

Awfully bad idea. There's already a "child care" institution (don't know how you call it in English) that should evaluate parents' ability to raise their children in case of doubt, and act if parents are not able to raise their children. Even if there are problems, those institutions are more likely not to act in minor cases because the alternative - asylum - is nothing better. The system is not perfect, but no system is.

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There's already a "child care" institution (don't know how you call it in English)...


There is?

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Hurray for Eugenics!

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There's already a "child care" institution (don't know how you call it in English)...


There is?


I think it's called - child services and they only show up when there is a problem. Does Europe run longer term group homes? Rather than foster care?

Oh and from what I've heard our child services network is already strained, no real reason to pile on.

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Parenting should be made illegal, period.

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For you, yes.

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I'm not the one with a kid.

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And prefer faith based institutions taking care of those children...

Leaving people left to the mercy of yet another standardized test. I'm sure you can learn the answers which proves nothing about one's morality. At any rate, I wouldn't want some comission to judge my "morality". Maybe put in there a Catholic bishop and I wouldn't see my child again...

Awfully bad idea. There's already a "child care" institution (don't know how you call it in English) that should evaluate parents' ability to raise their children in case of doubt, and act if parents are not able to raise their children. Even if there are problems, those institutions are more likely not to act in minor cases because the alternative - asylum - is nothing better. The system is not perfect, but no system is.


Hey, no need to be hostile. I never said anything akin to faith based institutions, (On the contrary, I believe that religion should be a choice that the child makes, rather than imposed on them through sunday school/etc.) and I don't mean morality akin to a Good Christian American (tm). Still, I can see where you object to this.

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Hurray for Eugenics!


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Wow.

I can't believe there are more yes votes than no.

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Honestly, this is like saying there should be a license to breathe.

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Honestly, this is like saying there should be a license to breathe.


That's a very good idea!

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There's quite a difference between breathing and parenting, you know. People can (and do) survive without procreation or passing their legacy through genetics - happens all the time. Why do you think the birthrate is relatively low in western countries? Life is quite different than what it was thousands of years ago - we're more than mere tools of evolution anymore. The previous biological meaning of life (procreation in order to have the species survive) doesn't apply as much.

And having a license to breathe wouldn't be a half-bad idea.

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So, the government knows better on how to raise our children than we do??

We can balance our checkbooks. Can the government say the same?

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Since too many people would go extreme if something like this was required, there's no way you could do it.

But having free access to HIGHLY recommended classes at junior colleges would probably help a lot of people and their children. But I doubt it would have any affect on crack mamas and other such low lifes like that drunk woman.

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Hey, no need to be hostile. I never said anything akin to faith based institutions, (On the contrary, I believe that religion should be a choice that the child makes, rather than imposed on them through sunday school/etc.) and I don't mean morality akin to a Good Christian American (tm). Still, I can see where you object to this.


Don't worry, I was more sarcastic than hostile. I already thought that you wouldn't like the idea either. But it's always good to think what the Bush admin. would make of an idea.

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I agree in principle.

In practice, however, you're opening up a big ol' can of worms. Tis but a short step from this to an eugenics program, which won't make many people happy.


Eugenics

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Honestly, this is like saying there should be a license to breathe.


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What do you do if a person has a kid without a license? You put the kid in foster homes? Because they aren't overwhelmed at the moment .

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Ouch

So what happens if people don't pass-- do they get a retest. If you fail 3 times are you sterilized?? If I don't get a licence ( and wouldn't qualify) what happens if I impregnate someone with stellar qualities by any measure? Does she have to turf me to keep the child??

I wish that many parents were better than they are but I don't see how you can test for it. I'd also be afraid what that test could look like depending on the area. here I am thinking of what boards or what not could come up with if hijacked by the lefties or the righties. I can see some lefties telling all the execs at Walmart or Exxonmobil that they are unfit while the rigties could set barriers based on marriage or various religious beliefs

Ouch ouch either way

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What do you do if a person has a kid without a license? You put the kid in foster homes? Because they aren't overwhelmed at the moment .


No, just sterilize them

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Restricting the parents isn't the answer, empowering the children is.

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Hey, how did I guess, Ozzy would use this to pimp his cause! He's almost becoming as one-note as MrFun

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Not on this site .

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Hey, how did I guess, Ozzy would use this to pimp his cause! He's almost becoming as one-note as MrFun


Funnier though.

 
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