22-07-2005 22:37									#241
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Is there any subject that won't degenerate into LOTM pontificating about Judaicism?

@JohnT: With Kid against you, you can't lose! Carry on the good fight!

	22-07-2005 22:40									#242
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Sure was nice of JohnT to leave a link to the church in question. Makes it much easier for me to let them know who ratted them out to Disney.

Fairs fair after all.

ACK!

	22-07-2005 22:42									#243
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JohnT

	22-07-2005 22:42									#244
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Its just that it has something to say about EVERYTHING.

And I esp. like to bring it out when we're into a "christians vs secularists" discussion. Which we are alot.

You will notice that i didnt say a word about it in my discussions of geographic determinism with GePap.

	22-07-2005 22:44									#245
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No I won't, since I didn't read your discussions of geographic determinism with GePap.

Incidentally, Diamond overstates the case.

	22-07-2005 22:46									#246
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'Economist Lester Thurow claims that only in nations whose culture derived from practices of Judaism,
Christianity and Islam, all of which share a vision of man as "created in God's image", is the creative power of the individual assumed to be worthy
of property protection'

	22-07-2005 22:51									#247
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"To whom it may concern, at Pixar or Disney

I am very offended that you took my name and story, added your own message, which was a distortion of the facts of my life, and was spun to spread your own particular political-environmental agenda, which I do not share. This seems to me a very serious breach of all that intellectual property law is about. Please respond, or I will be contacting my lawyers shortly

Pocahantas"

	22-07-2005 22:55									#248
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"To whom it may concern, at Dreamworks, SKG.

You have a REALLY big IP battle coming up. And no, I dont care that y'all are nice Jewish boys.

Moses, AKA Moshe Rabbenu NOT "prince of egypt"

	23-07-2005 05:21									#249
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John T, i think you're right. Paul said if we are to follow Jesus, we shouldn't even do things that appear to be wrong. After nine pages, i guess we know that the church didn't get permission, so it is wrong.

I have my own axe to grind with Cristian t shirts. I took a group of kids to our national youth conference last month and saw some curious stuff on the shirts.

"Jesus loves me even with my tatoos and piercings": That one was good, I wanted one of those.

"Satan Sucks!": to me that ranks with stealing for Jesus

"Who needs constipated Christians? Fart for Jesus" Somewhere a Yout leader told his kids "yeah, Cindy, that's what Jesus is about..."

	23-07-2005 05:26									#250
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quote: Originally posted by bayraven "Who needs constipated Christians? Fart for Jesus"

I like that one. There are too many constipated Christians.

	23-07-2005 06:54									#251
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Dude, I am an excellent father.

Yeah, me too, when my oldest was three. By the time he was 16 he was in jail and I didnt feel so excellent. My best intentions and perfect plan for his life met with teenage rebellion and I lost.

That's when I sought out my own supernatural fairytale crutch. A few years later my middle son rebelled right into Islam. He is now the worship leader in another small church here in TN., and my olsdest wants to take over our family business.

All that to say this; the more you love them, the more they will seek to stand and think on their own. She will probably be a teenage Christian, and as a young adult she will give credibility to whatever you truly believe.
Since I'm dealing with a fairytale, you don't mind if I pray the teenage Christian thing sticks, do you?

	23-07-2005 06:57									#252
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quote: All that to say this; the more you love them, the more they will seek to stand and think on their own. She will probably be a teenage Christian, and as a young adult she will give credibility to whatever you truly believe.

Bullshit. Many, perhaps most kids do not rebel mindlessly against their parents in such things. Else, there'd be a hell of a lot more atheists.

	23-07-2005 07:03									#253
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Who said mindless? There were inconsistancies in my approach to both sons. The rebellion was intentional and directed squarely at me.

The rebellion I see in the kids I deal with now is far from mindless

Jesus aint to popular with most kids, not even in the bible belt

	23-07-2005 07:04									#254
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quote: Who said mindless? There were inconsistancies in my approach to both sons. The rebellion was intentional and directed squarely at me.

That doesn't make it mindless. Mindless rebellion is rebellion for the sake of rebelling.

	23-07-2005 07:11									#255
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark "To whom it may concern, at Pixar or Disney I am very offended that you took my name and story, added your own message, which was a distortion of the facts of my life, and was spun to spread your own particular political-environmental agenda, which I do not share. This seems to me a very serious breach of all that intellectual property law is about. Please respond, or I will be contacting my lawyers shortly Pocahantas"

	23-07-2005 07:12									#256
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true, and parental rebellion is a teen phenom that isolates whatever they see as excessive/inconsistant in mom/dad and they do a 180

	23-07-2005 15:53									#257
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quote: Originally posted by bayraven true, and parental rebellion is a teen phenom that isolates whatever they see as excessive/inconsistant in mom/dad and they do a 180

Yeah they do that if they have the same tendency towards excessiveness. Some of that is learned. Too bad they don't usually rebel against excessiveness.

	23-07-2005 18:17									#258
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What percentage of kids do much of a teenage rebellion at all? If we ignore watching TV all day and getting seriously sloshed every now and then, by far most teens I've known haven't.

	23-07-2005 22:40									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist What percentage of kids do much of a teenage rebellion at all?

any answer is subjective, ie what constitutes rebellion, is it relative to the behavior of their peers, etc.

The reason I think rebellion relates to this thread is the mix of the passion / restriction by the parent(s).
Stomping out copyright infringes for the purpose of saving a three year old the exposure (as was listed to be the nobles oblige) sounds quite passionate. My guess is, to a ten or twelve year old that approach would cause extreme curiosity for what's being censured, and fodder for a teenager seeking independence. No different from the stereotypical 'preachers kid' breaking as many commandments as possible.

	23-07-2005 23:23									#260
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Would you spontaneously say that most kids do a teenage rebellion?

	24-07-2005 00:17									#261
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I would say that everyone has some degree of need for non-comfomity. But that is the consequence of forty years of watching people be people, not a spontanious observation.

	24-07-2005 00:25									#262
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Too bad they don't usually rebel against excessiveness.

Moderation is the key to boredom.