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chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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JT, you know your daughter is either going to become a fundiemntalist or a communist/anarchist, right? It's the only way she can rebell.

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She doesn't have to become a fundie to tick him off by his posts in this thread but it would seem to be the best way to do so.

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That said I have to slightly disagree with Lefty's rating. CivNation was the only troll I've seen so far that deserved a 10/10. This is a 9 at most.

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Manners are an ingrained trait here in the South. As I wouldn't want strangers openly taking pictures of me, so I wouldn't do that to others. This concept of doing unto others how you want done unto you is called the "Golden Rule" and was conceived by some guy named Jesus.


So you won't take pictures of strangers because of your "Southern manners", but you will rat out the same strangers to a multinational corporation in the hopes that said corporation will lower the boom on them for copyright infringement?

I guess "manners" is how they say "cowardice" in the South...


I didn't "rat out" the strangers, I took their organization to task for stealing.

Nice try, though.

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Where would tolerance for people who have different opinions and beliefs from yours fit in here?


I have all the tolerance in the world. What I don't want, however, is for a religious organization condoning theft in an attempt to lure my child.

****, people, all of you who are arguing against me are upset as to who I did this to, not what I did. As Wiggy himself more than implied, if I'd have done this to a homosexual organization, he would be on my side. If I had done this to Scientologists, nobody here would bat an eye. But because I did it to a Christian church the true fundamentalists on this board are willing to overlook the church's original sin (again, stealing imagery that is not theirs) to dump on me.

Not practicing what you preach:
Not practicing the morality you wish to force on others:

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Well it isn't exactly clear that it is a theft of copyright. What is clear is the fact that you didn't really care about that. Only that it might be appealing to your child and lure her away from the path you'd like her to follow.

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Well it isn't exactly clear that it is a theft of copyright.


Yes it is.

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Well it isn't exactly clear that it is a theft of copyright.


Yes it is.
Seeing as how this survived a legal challenge I fail to see how the shirts (as described by JT) are close to crossing the line.

Let's not forget 2 Live Crew and thier unauthorized use of "Oh, Pretty Woman" was deemed legal as well.

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Where would tolerance for people who have different opinions and beliefs from yours fit in here?

Jesus wasn't big at that, judging from the cleansing of the Temple episode.

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Well it isn't exactly clear that it is a theft of copyright. What is clear is the fact that you didn't really care about that. Only that it might be appealing to your child and lure her away from the path you'd like her to follow.


Look, Disney doesn't allow the use of their characters to promote non-Disney products. Period. This is as much a part of their history as Mickey Mouse. Hell, they even threatened to sue the Oscars for their unlicensed use of Snow White in the hilariously awful opening skit in the 1989 ceremonies. It wasn't until the MPAA grovelled like a bunch of servants and officially offered an apology (and agreed to never show the footage again) did Disney back off.

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****, people, all of you who are arguing against me are upset as to who I did this to, not what I did.

*cough*

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I never said Disney might not sue. I said it isn't clear that it qualifies as copyright infringement. Two different concepts as I'm sure you realize.

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Seeing as how this survived a legal challenge I fail to see how the shirts (as described by JT) are close to crossing the line.

Let's not forget 2 Live Crew and thier unauthorized use of "Oh, Pretty Woman" was deemed legal as well.


Did you happen to notice the 171-word disclaimer at the bottom of the screen? Also, "parody" is an accepted exception in regards to copyright - using unlicensed copyrighted images to advertise a church is not.

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*cough*


The exception that proves the rule.

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Spiff, being a commie, is just knee-jerk anti-Disney.

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Nah, I just don't like cause untold suffering, to send people to the gaping maw of legal hell (which Disney can adeptly provide) for small things.

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****, people, all of you who are arguing against me are upset as to who I did this to, not what I did.


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anyone else here ever eat at Sony Florendos, the phillipine cafe in Baltimore?

Used to be Sony's. Everybody knew that you went there for the best cheap food in the Inner Harbor, NOT for consumer electronics. Didnt matter to Sony(Japan)'s lawyers, though. They went after her, and made her change the name.

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****, people, all of you who are arguing against me are upset as to who I did this to, not what I did. As Wiggy himself more than implied, if I'd have done this to a homosexual organization, he would be on my side. If I had done this to Scientologists, nobody here would bat an eye. But because I did it to a Christian church the true fundamentalists on this board are willing to overlook the church's original sin (again, stealing imagery that is not theirs) to dump on me.


quote:
"This wasn't done by mistake - we wanted a common first name, not Christian, that meant something that was important to us. If we wanted to help her be susceptable to supernatural bullshit, we would've called her "Mysticia" or something. "


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"However, we found references to old-English definitions of "Caroline" as "joyful song", which to us was perfect: Wisdom, joy, and music is the foundation of our childs name, not gullibility, backwardness, and mysticism."


I would say based on the above quotes that you qualify as a bigot, in other words you did this to vent your hatred towards Christianity.

Otherwise you'd report Imran for using a Star Wars avatar because, in your twisted world, he is a thief.

And I would not report gays if they modified or wore Sponge Bob pants. I'd rather spend my time working or doing something productive.

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****, people, all of you who are arguing against me are upset as to who I did this to, not what I did.

*cough*

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I have all the tolerance in the world. What I don't want, however, is for a religious organization condoning theft in an attempt to lure my child.

****, people, all of you who are arguing against me are upset as to who I did this to, not what I did. As Wiggy himself more than implied, if I'd have done this to a homosexual organization, he would be on my side. If I had done this to Scientologists, nobody here would bat an eye. But because I did it to a Christian church the true fundamentalists on this board are willing to overlook the church's original sin (again, stealing imagery that is not theirs) to dump on me.

Not practicing what you preach:
Not practicing the morality you wish to force on others:


You are entirely incorrect.

I don't give a damn about your recent conversion to the IP police.

I do give a damn about your attitude of intolerance towards 'zealots', 'those sort of people', 'the wrong element', 'some damn cult', etc.

It's despicable. It's as despicable as racist attitudes towards spics, or homophobic attitudes towards fags, or...

You are perfectly free to be a bigot, and I am perfectly free to tell you what I think of your attitude.

PS. I am not Christian, let alone a fundamentalist, so I am not offended by your attack on 'my' faith. I'm offended by your attitude towards people who disagree with you on matters of faith.

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I do give a damn about your attitude of intolerance towards 'zealots', 'those sort of people', 'the wrong element', 'some damn cult', etc.

It's despicable. It's as despicable as racist attitudes towards spics, or homophobic attitudes towards fags, or...


Because of course judging people based on their beliefs is just as bad as judging them based on their skin color...

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There's a little difference 'tween races and religions concerning whether you chose membership.

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I guess it's alright to hate Jews then...

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Jews don't make a bother of themselves the way xians do

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****, people, all of you who are arguing against me are upset as to who I did this to, not what I did.


Oh, you know me, defender of Christians everywhere.

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I guess it's alright to hate Jews then...


Don't forget Muslims.

It must be safe to shun them all given recent events.

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Muslims are even worse than xians.

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All of them?

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I don't think copyright infringement is stealing.

 
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