20-07-2005 05:05									#1
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quote: quote: You have to see that if two teams, unbeknownst to the other teams, have decided to "share" victory from the outset, then it would be very likely that the "team" of teams would win. Now, if everyone was aware that "shared" victories were allowed then teams would just join with other teams till you had either 1v1 or 1v1v1 depending on the number of Civs in the game. If everyone plays with the idea that only one team can be the winner it will change every teams philosophy versus allowing "shared" victories. This compares to a 'we kill each other last' agreement. Which is different in that you do have to prepare for the eventuality, and it may drastically alter who you take to the final two with you. Whether you care for the show or not, "Survivor" is not a bad analogy, other than of course, you don't have the other teams sitting on the sidelines to make the final vote as to who wins; but it is similar in that you want to take someone with you think you can eventually 'beat'. That is the fundamental difference.

So you only want conquest victory now? I don't remember any of this being mentioned when we set up the game.

	20-07-2005 05:18									#2
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Conquest, Domination, Diplomatic, Spaceship, Cultural, and Score Victories should be allowed. However, I have yet to see a demogame won by any except "Conquest"


What Some, and most of us detest is when two (or more) teams band together, and make a pact basically stating that they will kill everyone then they will declare themselve joint winners. They say that everyone else is dead, and so they don't matter. This has already got to the level where some members have refused to take part in current demogames, with a possibility it will spread to future games.

	20-07-2005 05:29									#3
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Well whats the fuss about PTWDG then? That was a UN victory.

	20-07-2005 05:30									#4
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Have you read that forum?

	20-07-2005 05:39									#5
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Not after I saw the UN victory. Would you care to summarize?

	20-07-2005 05:48									#6
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Who is quoted and what is this about?

	20-07-2005 05:55									#7
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No. I do not want to reopen that wound, as it is pretty deep, even for me, and was not part of that game for long (only about 15 months). Surficed to say, you will rip this community into 2 completely separate pieces, with much hate, for a long time. You can go and read the Whore of babylon threads, the Game discussion thread from about post 390 onwards, and when the private forums are opened, you can read them.

And it it Beta is quoted above.

	20-07-2005 06:20									#8
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Thank you. I figured it out when I saw it in the other thread. No need to go down that path.

	20-07-2005 07:22									#9
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Shared victories not allowed. All other in game victories allowed.

	20-07-2005 07:46									#10
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quote: Originally posted by 1889 So you only want conquest victory now? I don't remember any of this being mentioned when we set up the game.

1889 - I have no problem whatsoever with any team winning this game by any of the standard and accepted civilization victory conditions. And yes - technically the PTWDG was eventually settled by a UN victory. But if you take the time to read the threads, you will see the game was decided by two teams forming a 'shared victory' alliance unbeknownst to the other teams - either that they had done it, or that it was even possible to consider it. (Trip's responsible for the latter. )

So, a spaceship win or a UN win is more than possible. I thought I saw a large gantry tower yonder.

	20-07-2005 07:47									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Krill No. I do not want to reopen that wound, as it is pretty deep, even for me, and was not part of that game for long (only about 15 months). Surficed to say, you will rip this community into 2 completely separate pieces, with much hate, for a long time. You can go and read the Whore of babylon threads, the Game discussion thread from about post 390 onwards, and when the private forums are opened, you can read them.

Right on! Well said Krill.

	20-07-2005 08:41									#12
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Shared victory was never a consideration of the Horde. Fear not! We want it all!!

	20-07-2005 16:20									#13
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A shared victory wasn't in my mind either.

As both nations (BOH-EU) were very much interested in getting to chivalry as fast as possible, a tech alliance was not all that uncommon. A mil alliance vs DR was agreed upon later. Reasons have been explained. As far as I felt personally, we (EU) were to end the alliances peacefully after we would have erased DR from the game (together).

I do not support a shared victory.

	21-07-2005 05:43									#14
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Shared victory was never a consideration of the Horde. Fear not! We want it all!!

That much no one in along the pacific rim doubts.

	21-07-2005 11:40									#16
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As I posted in the other forum, I completely agree with Beta and Krill, especially after seeing PTWDG(1). There was a clear alliance with the voiced (internally) intent of a shared victory, which is horrible and wrong. The Betrayers and Euphorica never had an agreement of such nature, and the only side to suggest it was the BOH - whom has now of course betrayed such an alliance anyways. I think this game is safe from shared victories

	21-07-2005 11:59									#17
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Did you spill your milk this morning? Or have you never played a demo game before?

	21-07-2005 13:54									#18
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Just for the record, though it should be fairly obvious....the Desolation Row has never, does not currently, nor will it ever, support shared victories.

	21-07-2005 14:38									#19
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lol, shared vicotry with who??

One of the three teams that plotted our destruction in secret, in what I cannot see as much better that the shared victory everybody is so worked up over?

Or perhaps with one of the two "neutral" countries - one of whom has just declared war on the Horde, and so claims to neutrality ring rather false, or with the other neutral team, who we learn has been spying and intelligence gathering on our nation, and selling the information to our enemies?

Yes I think we can be sure DR isn't in any game-long shared victory type situation

	21-07-2005 18:37									#20
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very well spoken but the game is long and "never" is the most promising lie anyone could tell

	21-07-2005 19:42									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars One of the three teams that plotted our destruction in secret, in what I cannot see as much better that the shared victory everybody is so worked up over?

Ah, but it was merely an alliance, not one to shared victory. This game demonstrates the difference very well: since you're going to be competing against your alliance partners eventually, there's motive to break it.

	21-07-2005 21:14									#22
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Indeed. You Babylonians sold our alliance for the price of one tech.

	22-07-2005 09:27									#23
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Had BoH not betrayed us this past 2 turns ago, all three members would have had Feudalism this past turn.

	22-07-2005 11:33									#24
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Perhaps you had better look at your diplo screen again snoop

	22-07-2005 12:04									#25
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Had BoH not betrayed us this past 2 turns ago, all three members would have had Feudalism this past turn.

oh well then I wonder why the Lords of the Horde are building castles all over the shop

maybe they know something you do not

then again, our medieval infantry are already marching your way, so you should know soon enough

	22-07-2005 17:40									#26
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My statement is no less true for you having feudalism now.

	22-07-2005 17:51									#27
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I will have to take that matter up in one of our new courts.

These castles are a little too new to be damp and mouldy yet