21-07-2005 10:33									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Dis yeah but we need to go to the persian gulf for our wonderful port calls of Bahrain and United Arab Emrites. . hey, at least Bahrain had alcohol in the hotels.

So did the U.A.E.

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	21-07-2005 10:37									#92
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we weren't allowed off the pier in UAE. Unless it was a guided tour. We couldn't roam the town by ourselves.

So they setup a staging area on the pier. And brought in lots of alcohol. They also had some food shops set up. Although I had to drink crappy beers like budweiser.

so instead of playing cards on the ship (like we normally did for fun out at sea), we played cards on tables set up next to the pier. But at least we had beer.

yes, you can count that as one of our worst ports of call.

	21-07-2005 10:41									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Yer out of your mind. ON it's best day our CIWS couldn't swat a Learjet-dragged target out of the sky, much less a missile.

You have lousy techs then. We always hit the drone. The big problem with CIWS is the fact that it will run empty in 20 seconds at full auto.

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	21-07-2005 10:46									#94
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HOw long does it take to reload?

	21-07-2005 10:49									#95
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If the crew is good about 7 minutes. In a battle being shot at probably longer.

Of course, I haven't loaded the weapon in 11 years, so they may have found an easier and quicker way to do it.

But, I doubt it.

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	21-07-2005 10:51									#96
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Damn, that blows

Do ships normally have multiple CIWS?

So that, if one is being reloaded, there is a secondary available to fire?

	21-07-2005 11:00									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Damn, that blows Do ships normally have multiple CIWS? So that, if one is being reloaded, there is a secondary available to fire?

ours did, but on opposite sides of the ship.

I think we had one port, one starboard, and one on the fantail.

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Damn, that blows Do ships normally have multiple CIWS? So that, if one is being reloaded, there is a secondary available to fire?

Yes they have more than one if larger than a frigate.

However, they won't fire in the same direction, they have zone of the ship they defend.

So if you are being attacked from one direction you can turn the ship to have coverage.

If attacked from multiple directions, you will not have full coverage.

You have to understand also that the rounds come out of ammo cans on 100 round belts. You need all available techs to load a mount.

You need, at minimum 3 techs to load the weapon. We had 5 for 2 mounts. 1 of which is in CIC at GQ and unable to help load. We had two techs at each mount, so if one was emptied one of the techs would have to race to the other mount to help load.

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	21-07-2005 11:02									#99
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This thread gives me an urge to play some Harpoon...

	21-07-2005 11:02									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Dis ours did, but on opposite sides of the ship. I think we had one port, one starboard, and one on the fantail.

Sounds right. Each mount would probably be it's own workcenter in your case.

Battleships, IIRC, had 2 port and 2 starboard.

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since our expert is here, I have a question.

I could have swore we had 3 phalanx CIWS guns. It is possible they recenlty changed it. Or this website is wrong. I looked it up to see if my memory was accurate.

It mentions something called. RAM launchers. I'm not familiar with them. What are they and what do they look like?

It lists 2 sea sparrow launchers (which is correct- we had one port, one starboard), 2 CIWS (but I could have swore we had one on the fantail), and 2 RAM launchers. Perhaps they took a CIWS out and put in a RAM launcher. I'm not sure. I was just an engineering grog . And I never did qualify surface warfare...

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclo...USS-Enterprise-(CVN_65)

	21-07-2005 11:09									#102
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oh here's the RAM launcher. I don't remember seeing these. Perhaps they are new, or I never noticed.



ahh, I found it. sort of. If the first ship only got it in 1992, it was unlikely my carrier had one. Though we were in the shipyards in 1993, maybe they put them on then. I was on the ship until 97.

quote: The RIM-116 was developed by General Dynamics under a July 1976 agreement with Denmark and West Germany. The first 30 were built under FY 85 and became operation on November 14 1992 aboard the USS Peleliu (LHA-5). The U.S. Navy hopes to purchase 1,600 RAMs and 115 launchers to equip 74 ships. The RIM-116 is currently used on 60 American and German warships. Greece and South Korea have also signed procurement contracts.

	21-07-2005 11:13									#103
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since I love pictures, I'll post these as well for those readers not used to what these weapons look like



not the best picture, but it gets the job done. That is a sea sparrow launcher



Phalanx CIWS firing

	21-07-2005 11:14									#104
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Isn't it time for some Lazor already?

	21-07-2005 11:14									#105
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Damn , DanS'ed by the question asker.

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	21-07-2005 11:15									#106
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quote: And these are anti-ship cruise missiles (like the harpoon) does a DDG really carry 60 of them? (I know they can't launch anything like 60 in a go though)

A DDG carries 8 Harpoon missiles on over the side mounts on the aft missile deck. Standard missiles are the most numerous missiles on the ship, you normally carry about 30 of them. They are duel air and surface weapons, but most effective against air. As far as small surface contacts go the 5" gun is the primary weapon.

The CIWS is a last resort weapon, even for carriers. If a missile ever gets to the carrier these days then the war is lost already because at the very least a cruiser has expended all its ordinance and been destroyed itself, assuming that is the only escort nearby.

Standard missiles are the best thing to counter other missiles, and as stated a DDG has around 30 at any time. That is assuming they do not detect and destroy the attacking aircraft before it fires, which is overwhelmingly the case.

Shore batteries for most of our enemies are really jokes.

I had a wonderful drunken time in UAE in 2004, only a buddy system was in effect. Really great people.

	21-07-2005 11:19									#107
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quote: It mentions something called. RAM launchers. I'm not familiar with them. What are they and what do they look like?

RAM is a sort of replacement for CIWS. Most of the amphibs have at least on of there normal point defense mounts converted (confirmed this on my drive home from work today) and the new DDGs have cells in their for and aft launchers dedicated to it. A normal cell can carry four RAM missiles.

	21-07-2005 14:54									#108
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about the phalanx system...i heard somewhere that the goalkeeper is a lot better system then the phalanx system...but that can just be over nationalsist talk of a friend of mine that is in the navy...any navy buffs know anything about that...

and flubber...put a rocket behind the torpedo...it used a solid fuel rocket but i dont know if it had booster but dont think so

	21-07-2005 15:07									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Isn't it time for some Lazor already?

Indeed. What's this lousy navy that has frigates but no lazors?!

	21-07-2005 16:21									#110
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Who would want a lazor? OR . . . Omitted radiation instead of Emitted radiation. So you have a gun that just sits there and does nothing.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Who would want a lazor? OR . . . Omitted radiation instead of Emitted radiation. So you have a gun that just sits there and does nothing.

Nice one!

	21-07-2005 18:55									#112
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Lazors

	21-07-2005 18:58									#113
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Who would want a lazor? OR . . . Omitted radiation instead of Emitted radiation. So you have a gun that just sits there and does nothing.

Wouldn't that just be a flashlight that's missing one wavelength?

	21-07-2005 19:04									#114
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Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation

A laser doesn't have to be any particular color or wavelength. It is, in essence, simply a very concentrated beam of light.

	21-07-2005 19:08									#115
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The wavelength of light emitted is tied to the lasing medium, though...while any given laser can have different wavelengths, a single laser only emits one.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation A laser doesn't have to be any particular color or wavelength. It is, in essence, simply a very concentrated beam of light.

Bull

Lazors are green, torpedoes are blue, and fighters are red

	21-07-2005 20:49									#117
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quote: What would be the effectiveness, y'all think, of some kind of hidden mine system. Where charges of some kind were attached to the sea floor by divers, and fitting with something to take them to the surface. Maybe like a missle, maybe just a big pocket of air that would float it to the top if released from its chains at the bottom. Could enemies just wait for our big ships to pass over a field like this, and then release all the weapons? Would they be detectable by sonar?

Thats an interesting idea.

	21-07-2005 22:54									#118
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quote: What would be the effectiveness, y'all think, of some kind of hidden mine system. Where charges of some kind were attached to the sea floor by divers, and fitting with something to take them to the surface. Maybe like a missle, maybe just a big pocket of air that would float it to the top if released from its chains at the bottom.

That is how a great many of the current mines work.

Unfortunetly the chances of a ship actually going over that point are small. All mines are really good for is closing harbors, and it isn't like our warships are going to sail into an enemies harbor.

	21-07-2005 23:09									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos That is how a great many of the current mines work. Unfortunetly the chances of a ship actually going over that point are small. All mines are really good for is closing harbors, .

I imagine you could close some of the major straits in the world as well for a time. If it were done in a clandestine fashion, I imagine that a regular looking freighter could seed mines in a number of places. Don't some countries have abilities to airdrop some types of mines into the sea as well ??


Could this be an area for future terrorism-- ie the indiscriminant laying of mines in sea channels offshore of western nations?

	21-07-2005 23:12									#120
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quote: I imagine you could close some of the major straits in the world as well for a time.

As far as countries, it would be highly illegal to mine international waters, especially if your doing in prep for war as opposed to during one.

quote: it were done in a clandestine fashion, I imagine that a regular looking freighter could seed mines in a number of places.

I am sure any such attempt would be noticed in any major waterway.

quote: Could this be an area for future terrorism-- ie the indiscriminant laying of mines in sea channels offshore of western nations?

Surface floating mines perhaps, but the others are too advanced and the scale of the operation would make it far to resource consuming for a terrorist. They would get a dozen normal bombings for the effort to tether one mine to the ocean floor.