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Arise you creatures of the night, arise and make the Horde shiver in fright.
Arise you creatures of the night, arise and make the squirm to your bight.
Arise arise, oh make them tremble and scream,
Arise arise you creatures of the night.
(Stolen from shipmates vampire magazine, and changed for Horde.)
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skrobism
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...others to do their dirty work.
Sounds like another teams MO.
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skrobism
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Aqua, your ignorance is excused.
Would you like some beer and pretzels as all this unfolds?
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snoopy369
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Of the Peanuts Gallery
Apr 2004
time: 23:37
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Plato - if you want to keep saying we betrayed you, just frickin' bring it to the table. Tell the rest of the world your 'evidence' for our betrayal.
Tell them about how you all misunderstood a single line of late-night chat from McMeadows:
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McMeadows says:
You want us to attack with 3 wounded swordsmen |
to mean we had only 3 swordsmen to our names, when it was referring only to our units in the field - and the later quote
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McMeadows says:
we're not able to commit too many forces. LEaving home with the units we still have doesn't seem to feel all that good |
makes that clear ...
Tell them how you decided that McMeadows refusing to commit yet more troops to the front so soon after the massacre at Mount Massacre - where we lost more troops in one turn then you've fought with the entire game - meant that we had no troops at all.
Tell them how you 'decided' out of the blue to (legally or illegally, we'll never know) city-scan us, to see if we had any troops.
Tell them how when we - indeed - did have some swordsmen, in a city on the eastern end of our nation, and nowhere near BoH, you decided that we were scheming to attack you.
Then tell them how you conspired to betray our tech alliance (which was recertified after the era end, symbolized by your agreement with McMeadows to work on monotheism 12 July), betray our military alliance, and betray our luxury trade agreement - and betray us entirely, by declaring war on your former allies. With no meaningful evidence of anything to your side, other than a quote that you misunderstood.
Tell them all of that - and then leave your bull**** about us starting this betrayal out of the ring. That, or post something meaningful, some actual evidence of betrayal - which you can't, because we were honest, trustworthy allies until you betrayed us.
And to 1889 - we appreciate the support, and look forward to working with you militarily if and when that becomes possible. The more nations that realize the dangers of the Betrayed Oath Horde, the safer the world shall be.
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Paddy the Scot
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Hordeland
Mar 2001
time: 14:37
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quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Plato - if you want to keep saying we betrayed you, just frickin' bring it to the table. Tell the rest of the world your 'evidence' for our betrayal.
Tell them about how you all misunderstood a single line of late-night chat from McMeadows:
quote:
McMeadows says:
You want us to attack with 3 wounded swordsmen |
to mean we had only 3 swordsmen to our names, when it was referring only to our units in the field - and the later quote
quote:
McMeadows says:
we're not able to commit too many forces. LEaving home with the units we still have doesn't seem to feel all that good |
makes that clear ...
Tell them how you decided that McMeadows refusing to commit yet more troops to the front so soon after the massacre at Mount Massacre - where we lost more troops in one turn then you've fought with the entire game - meant that we had no troops at all.
Tell them how you 'decided' out of the blue to (legally or illegally, we'll never know) city-scan us, to see if we had any troops.
Tell them how when we - indeed - did have some swordsmen, in a city on the eastern end of our nation, and nowhere near BoH, you decided that we were scheming to attack you.
Then tell them how you conspired to betray our tech alliance (which was recertified after the era end, symbolized by your agreement with McMeadows to work on monotheism 12 July), betray our military alliance, and betray our luxury trade agreement - and betray us entirely, by declaring war on your former allies. With no meaningful evidence of anything to your side, other than a quote that you misunderstood.
Tell them all of that - and then leave your bull**** about us starting this betrayal out of the ring. That, or post something meaningful, some actual evidence of betrayal - which you can't, because we were honest, trustworthy allies until you betrayed us.
And to 1889 - we appreciate the support, and look forward to working with you militarily if and when that becomes possible. The more nations that realize the dangers of the Betrayed Oath Horde, the safer the world shall be. |
Yes Plato, and tell them how our allies did not like answering questions on what units they had. Then tell them how they had heaps of opportunities to come good with said information. Oh and while your there tell them how much we care these days.
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PLATO
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Of the occupied South
Dec 2002
time: 23:37
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quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Plato - if you want to keep saying we betrayed you, just frickin' bring it to the table. Tell the rest of the world your 'evidence' for our betrayal. |
You do a fair job below, but as is the practice of your nation, you leave out much!
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Tell them about how you all misunderstood a single line of late-night chat from McMeadows:
quote:
McMeadows says:
You want us to attack with 3 wounded swordsmen |
to mean we had only 3 swordsmen to our names, when it was referring only to our units in the field |
Far from that being a true analysis! Let's consider more quotes from that chat to show the world the truth!
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Paddy says:
We are also interested in hearing of when and what uints you will be sending south again. |
and they type responses we kept getting:
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McMeadows says:
Dear ally, I think we've been sticking out our necks more than enough |
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McMeadows says:
it seems we're done (EU)
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Hardly the words of an allie with a secret army hidden far away from any route The Red Guard would travel.
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
- and the later quote
quote:
McMeadows says:
we're not able to commit too many forces. LEaving home with the units we still have doesn't seem to feel all that good |
makes that clear ...
Tell them how you decided that McMeadows refusing to commit yet more troops to the front so soon after the massacre at Mount Massacre - where we lost more troops in one turn then you've fought with the entire game - meant that we had no troops at all. |
and tell the world how we were not asking for any troop commitments!
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Paddy says:
I am not actually asking for you to send troops now |
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Tell them how you 'decided' out of the blue to (legally or illegally, we'll never know) city-scan us, to see if we had any troops. |
 Out of the blue? After that chat with McM?
And then you insinuate that we have cheated? You called me to the table to present my case. Let's here yours on this matter...or is this more Euphorican twisting of the truth?
Your words just add to the reason the Euphorica must be eradicated. They are weak...as were the words of your alliance with us.
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Tell them how when we - indeed - did have some swordsmen, in a city on the eastern end of our nation, and nowhere near BoH, you decided that we were scheming to attack you. |
We have told them of the secret army you were building and hiding from our view...and about the catapults...and about the grainery...All the while showing us empty or lightly defended cities to support your case that you had sent "all you had"...all the while encouraging us to empty our lands to rush to finish a job that you so pitifully failed at.
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Then tell them how you conspired to betray our tech alliance (which was recertified after the era end, symbolized by your agreement with McMeadows to work on monotheism 12 July), betray our military alliance, and betray our luxury trade agreement - and betray us entirely, by declaring war on your former allies. With no meaningful evidence of anything to your side, other than a quote that you misunderstood. |
I am afraid that is just laughable. The treaties were handled according to wording your suggested. It is amazing that you have the gual to accuse us of betrayal when the evidence is clear that your sword was aimed at the heart of this alliance. You were given the required notice of ending the treaty under a clause your people had insisted on! We left your lands prior to declaring war.
Betrayal is a word that was foriegn to the Mongol language. It has now been entered in our dictionary as "Betrayal-See Euphorica"
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Tell them all of that - and then leave your bull**** about us starting this betrayal out of the ring. That, or post something meaningful, some actual evidence of betrayal - which you can't, because we were honest, trustworthy allies until you betrayed us. |
Excuse me? And you believe you can speak to me in that language, why?
We certainly had hopes that you would have been. The evidence presented here clearly shows that the above statement has absolutely zero merit.
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
And to 1889 - we appreciate the support, and look forward to working with you militarily if and when that becomes possible. The more nations that realize the dangers of the Betrayed Oath Horde, the safer the world shall be. |
Yes, they do "look forward to working with you militarily"
They will scream for aid, get your armies away from your lands to fight their war, and then strike into your heart! As a vampire, I am sure you will come to understand their ways. The truth is, they offer a ray of sunshine unto your people!
1889, You have chosen the path of certain destruction. The Blood Oath Horde will destroy you if you persist in this war...unless the Euphoricans do it first. Your only hope is to remain nuetral. I suggest that you immediately reconsider who your allies are and look at the real evidence.
It matters not to The Horde. We have the power to deal with your nation. It is for the sake of the honest diplomacy you have conducted with us in the past that I issue this warning. If your desire is to be destroyed and thus leave this game, then war on...if you wish to build a civilization that can be an honest part of this world, then I suggest you reconsider your neutrality.
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snoopy369
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Of the Peanuts Gallery
Apr 2004
time: 23:37
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quote:
Originally posted by PLATO
quote:
Paddy says:
We are also interested in hearing of when and what uints you will be sending south again. |
and they type responses we kept getting:
quote:
McMeadows says:
Dear ally, I think we've been sticking out our necks more than enough |
quote:
McMeadows says:
it seems we're done (EU)
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Hardly the words of an allie with a secret army hidden far away from any route The Red Guard would travel. |
As I stated, we had 5 swordsmen in our major city nearest DR, on the east. Nirvana. Not U2 or B64s, cities near BoH, but Nirvana, where we launch all of our attacks from. Away from any route you would travel indeed - why would we put it near you?
And if we wanted to hide it, sir, we'd have put it outside the city instead of in it. Please don't imply we're that dumb as to hide units inside a city ...
quote: originally posted by plato
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
- and the later quote
quote:
McMeadows says:
we're not able to commit too many forces. LEaving home with the units we still have doesn't seem to feel all that good |
makes that clear ...
Tell them how you decided that McMeadows refusing to commit yet more troops to the front so soon after the massacre at Mount Massacre - where we lost more troops in one turn then you've fought with the entire game - meant that we had no troops at all. |
and tell the world how we were not asking for any troop commitments!
quote:
Paddy says:
I am not actually asking for you to send troops now |
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Sure. This is not the quote I refer to - but rather the quote further on down. I'm referring not to your demand of troop committments, but to your misinterpretation of a simple sentence.
quote: originally posted by plato
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Tell them how you 'decided' out of the blue to (legally or illegally, we'll never know) city-scan us, to see if we had any troops. |
Out of the blue? After that chat with McM?
And then you insinuate that we have cheated? You called me to the table to present my case. Let's here yours on this matter...or is this more Euphorican twisting of the truth?
Your words just add to the reason the Euphorica must be eradicated. They are weak...as were the words of your alliance with us.
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I do not know if you cheated or not. However, spending gold on city scans, certainly more than one unless you had some sort of inside knowledge - unlikely - is proof enough that you were untrustworthy in the first place. We never city-scanned you, not once, and never would.
quote: originally posted by plato
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Tell them how when we - indeed - did have some swordsmen, in a city on the eastern end of our nation, and nowhere near BoH, you decided that we were scheming to attack you. |
We have told them of the secret army you were building and hiding from our view...and about the catapults...and about the grainery...All the while showing us empty or lightly defended cities to support your case that you had sent "all you had"...all the while encouraging us to empty our lands to rush to finish a job that you so pitifully failed at.
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We had 5 swordsmen and 2 catapults, all built after the stack left; and catapults can't travel in mountains well anyway, as you well know, so they would have hindered us more than they would have helped. A granary - how is that wrong to build our SECOND granary ever? You see the scores ... you see how we were falling behind due to our ultimate committment to this war. We needed to build SOME infrastructure or lose regardless of the DR war's outcome.
We never showed you a city for the purpose of showing you it being empty. And we certainly never said you needed to empty your lands - Paddy did that on his own accord; we have always felt some homeland defense is required.
quote: originally posted by plato
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Then tell them how you conspired to betray our tech alliance (which was recertified after the era end, symbolized by your agreement with McMeadows to work on monotheism 12 July), betray our military alliance, and betray our luxury trade agreement - and betray us entirely, by declaring war on your former allies. With no meaningful evidence of anything to your side, other than a quote that you misunderstood. |
I am afraid that is just laughable. The treaties were handled according to wording your suggested. It is amazing that you have the gual to accuse us of betrayal when the evidence is clear that your sword was aimed at the heart of this alliance. You were given the required notice of ending the treaty under a clause your people had insisted on! We left your lands prior to declaring war.
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We had recertified the tech agreement, per my statement above. The only way you could break the treaty without a ten turn notice was to break it upon era's end, which did not happen; you broke it after we had agreed on a medieval era tech trade, which certainly feels like recertification to me. If it sounds like a duck ...
How would we have taken FIVE SWORDSMEN AND TWO CATAPULTS and destroyed you, sir? Please explain that? We have never understood why you assumed that our rebuilding military - slowly - was a threat to you. Paddy asked McM to commit more troops initially - which he said he couldn't - and then paddy reversed himself and asked for a road - which wasn't feasible at that moment either due to workers being mostly on the opposite side of the map.
quote: originally posted by plato
Betrayal is a word that was foriegn to the Mongol language. It has now been entered in our dictionary as "Betrayal-See Euphorica"
quote:
Originally posted by snoopy369
Tell them all of that - and then leave your bull**** about us starting this betrayal out of the ring. That, or post something meaningful, some actual evidence of betrayal - which you can't, because we were honest, trustworthy allies until you betrayed us. |
Excuse me? And you believe you can speak to me in that language, why?
We certainly had hopes that you would have been. The evidence presented here clearly shows that the above statement has absolutely zero merit.
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Plato - you still have yet to post any evidence. Seeing five swordsmen and two catapults in a city is not a betrayal ... it is us building up a viable army so we could once again, ten or fifteen turns down the line, contribute to our once-alliance. Your paranoia does not qualify as a betrayal sir ... simply as paranoia.
quote: originally posted by plato
It matters not to The Horde. We have the power to deal with your nation. It is for the sake of the honest diplomacy you have conducted with us in the past that I issue this warning. If your desire is to be destroyed and thus leave this game, then war on...if you wish to build a civilization that can be an honest part of this world, then I suggest you reconsider your neutrality. [/QUOTE]
The bolded part is mine.
This is the root of my point ... the Horde sees only that they have the power to do what they want. They care nought for alliances or treaties - only that they have the power to do something, so they do it.
We erred greatly - and admit so freely - in thinking that DR was the major threat in this game. I don't doubt that they would have had a good chance at winning had it not been for our attack on them - but we failed, horribly, to see the threat that the Horde is and will be. DR fought honorably, at least, as did we. The acts of the Horde are dishonorable, and prove their low nature. That is unfortunate ...
[q=paddy]
Yes Plato, and tell them how our allies did not like answering questions on what units they had. Then tell them how they had heaps of opportunities to come good with said information. Oh and while your there tell them how much we care these days. |
You never asked directly how many units we had. Not once. Had you asked, we would have happily given that information out.
And we don't care about your opinion on these matters. We care about public opinion - and whether you are adequately punished for your vile betrayal of our alliance.
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