25-07-2005 09:31									#61
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	25-07-2005 10:48									#62
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I was driving from Virginia back to Texas this weekend and I was appalled at the lack of Walmart advertisements. The entire trip I wanted to stop at one but forgot where they were. I didn't know there was a walmart at a town until after I passed the exit.

	25-07-2005 11:06									#63
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Apocalypse that reminds me of the one single bad thing about Wal mart:

They do not advertise in local papers. Ever. Not once. They used to back in the old days. No more. Not in my recent memory.

But to fix your problem:
The Rand McNally 50 states road map that Wal Mart sells has a list of all the Wal Mart (and Supercenter and Sams Club) locations in the USA.

Or, you could just assume every town over 7500 has a Walmart (a very good assumption).

What way did you drive back from VA to TX?

	25-07-2005 11:15									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley 2. Unhelpful employees who don't know where stuff is, much less make product recommendations

Rude customers with screaming brats acosting me in sections of the store I don't work in.

	25-07-2005 12:29									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Another myth From Walmarts website...

THAT is an objective source that you can rely on for truthful information!?!?

	25-07-2005 12:40									#66
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Why would anyone shop at Wal-mart. The stores are depressing. The stuff they sell is usually crap. And their client base seems to be the dregs of humanity.

	25-07-2005 13:09									#67
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I have to admit I shop at Target.

Something about Target though feels better than Wal-Mart

	25-07-2005 16:14									#68
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Yes, target I never go into a WalMart

	25-07-2005 17:01									#69
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Costco

	25-07-2005 17:10									#70
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun THAT is an objective source that you can rely on for truthful information!?!?

Probably more acurate than getting information from a "I hate Walmart" site

I have a few friends that work at Walmart who support the fact that they have good health bennies...

Walmart did what any other retailer "could" have done, and succeeded because they had the right idea. Their continued success will be based on them making the right decisions in the future. Other dominate retailers have lost their grip on the market... Walmart could as well...

	25-07-2005 17:39									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui While I agree with your general statement, Standard Oil was stopped by the government's breakup of the company .

A government breakup that was caused by consumer activism.

Lets not get me wrong: If Zk and others want to stop Wal-Mart from getting "too" powerful, more power to them. That's part of the process. But my contention is that the type and volume of complaints in re: to WM is nothing new, and its future is as pre-ordained as A&P's past.

	25-07-2005 17:42									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I have to admit I shop at Target. Something about Target though feels better than Wal-Mart

They're not as cluttered (more room in the aisles) and Target stores are designed to allow more sunlight in, than WM.

Also, and this might be a local thing, in Target all the guy stuff is located in the front (clothes, electronics) and all the chick/children stuff is in the back of the store (housewares, toys, womens clothing.) In WM, it's almost the opposite - womens clothes in front, electronics in back.

	25-07-2005 17:50									#73
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT They're not as cluttered (more room in the aisles) and Target stores are designed to allow more sunlight in, than WM. Also, and this might be a local thing, in Target all the guy stuff is located in the front (clothes, electronics) and all the chick/children stuff is in the back of the store (housewares, toys, womens clothing.)

That is Targets overall strategy... to give a "better" shopping experience. People know they are paying slightly more, but think it's worth it. They have no problem with taking on Walmart head to head... in many cases, they have opened up stores right across the street from them... something a few experts thought was crazy. I know a lot of people who can't stand the Walmart shopping experience, and prefer Target for that reason.

	25-07-2005 18:43									#74
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT They're not as cluttered (more room in the aisles) and Target stores are designed to allow more sunlight in, than WM.

Walmart is catching on to the idea that more daylight = more slaes, and did a test where they had half of a store daylit and the other half entirely artifiicially lit. Sales in the daylit section were well above the national average, as was employee morale.

	25-07-2005 18:55									#75
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Other bad thing about shopping in walmart is that it is always loud in there. Some stores do their communications over the loud speaker such as calling empolyes to sections of the store for customer service or other things I as a customer I don't want to listen to.

	25-07-2005 19:20									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit Walmart should be outlawed just for the way they treat people working for them

I thought you were supposd to be a conservative.

	25-07-2005 19:28									#77
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell As Wal Mart expands (which they will), they will eliminate the inefficiency in every business they enter,

ineffciency = people and their living standards

	25-07-2005 19:30									#78
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Standard Oil was stopped,

Bad example. They were stopped by the government.

	25-07-2005 19:32									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley $50,000 factory job vs. $30,000 service job...

Where can you get $15 an hour for a service job?

	25-07-2005 19:34									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler No, it was pwned by the post-war growth of airlines.

And trucks. Shipping by truck became more cost efficient in the post-war era, more or less killing the market for trains.

	25-07-2005 19:35									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Why would anyone shop at Wal-mart? The stores are depressing. The stuff they sell is usually crap.

	25-07-2005 19:39									#82
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quote: Shipping by truck became more cost efficient in the post-war era, more or less killing the market for trains.

Keep in mind that freight trains are still used very heavily in the US. By no means is that market "killed."

quote: Where can you get $15 an hour for a service job?

Most people on Apolyton who make better money than $15/hr have service jobs.

	25-07-2005 19:56									#83
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT They're not as cluttered (more room in the aisles) and Target stores are designed to allow more sunlight in, than WM.

New WalMyth: Some staff are vampires.


Thanks, JohnT.


Have you read the lovely Babs Ehrenreich's 'Nickeled and Dimed' by the way ?

" Ehrenreich said she expected these jobs to be physically challenging, but was surprised at the mental challenge they presented. The biggest one she faced was learning and relearning the exact locations of the constantly rotating stock in the ladies' department at WalMart.

"The lesson for me was an important one: I will never use the word 'unskilled' to describe any job," she said.

She also said these jobs were made unnecessarily difficult by an atmosphere of distrust and intimidation festering in the work environment. Rules prohibiting talk among employees reminded her of being in junior high school. And now, from what she's read since her experience, she believes she hasn't even seen the worst.

"There are ways in which many American workplaces are beginning to resemble what we think of as third-world sweatshops," she claimed.

One way she found particularly disturbing concerned adults having to ask to use the bathroom. She mentioned a conversation with a University of Iowa academic who had studied the issue of bathroom breaks. He told her there was an increasing number of job situations--assembly lines, cash registers--where the lack of bathroom breaks forced women to wear adult diapers."

http://outlook.collegepublisher.com...ed-390706.shtml

One of the parts in her book I found most shocking was that in some companies workers don't have a statutory right to use the lavatory- incredible !


I make a point of never being rude to staff in shops- when you've been on the receiving end of the public it gives you a whole new respect for shopworkers.

	25-07-2005 20:10									#84
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Jeez! I can understand telling your manager you are going the bathroom and if you are going too much the manager being skeptical, but having to ask permission from the outset?

Even if you are a cashier, you aren't busy ALL day.

	25-07-2005 20:15									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Jeez! I can understand telling your manager you are going the bathroom and if you are going too much the manager being skeptical, but having to ask permission from the outset? Even if you are a cashier, you aren't busy ALL day.

Staff might be expressing their personalities in their 'bathroom breaks'. This could be dangerously close to setting a precedent.


It's a book you should read if you haven't already Imran. It makes me very very happy for the achievements of Victorian trades unions in Great Britain.

	25-07-2005 20:16									#86
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Keep in mind that freight trains are still used very heavily in the US. By no means is that market "killed."

I am aware of that, but it has shrunk considerably from what it once was.

quote: Most people on Apolyton who make better money than $15/hr have service jobs.

White collar, yes.

	25-07-2005 20:20									#87
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quote: neffciency = people and their living standards

Che, this is called progress. The steam engine, the railroad, robotics, probably near every advance caused people to lose jobs at first. They lose their jobs because they're getting paid too much for something you can now do for significantly cheaper, and they can either retrain for a new career or (as a lot of people are doing, it seems) sit around and ***** and moan about how Wal Mart cost them their job. There are new high paying jobs to replace the lost ones in manufacturing. It's just a matter of the initiative to get them.

quote: And trucks. Shipping by truck became more cost efficient in the post-war era, more or less killing the market for trains.

Like DanS said, trains are nowhere near dead, they go through Camden every day always loaded up with freight. As gasoline continues to go into the stratosphere pricewise, more companies may return to trains for shipping.

quote: discussion about Target

I find most Wal Marts to be clean, uncrowded, and friendly, so I prefer shopping there AND saving money. The only things I won't get at Wal Mart are CDs (they never have a good selection anyways). The nearest Target is all the way out in Texarkana, I guess they're scared of moving into Walmart home turf.

	25-07-2005 20:27									#88
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quote: I find most Wal Marts to be clean, uncrowded, and friendly

You're delusion... or you've been drinking that kool-aid

	25-07-2005 20:29									#89
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I've only been to one pleasant Wal-Mart. Sam's Club, on the other hand, has always been enjoyable.

	25-07-2005 20:30									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You're delusion... or you've been drinking that kool-aid

From the Jonestown branch of WalMart ?


I wouldn't touch it myself....