26-07-2005 14:05									#1
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/26/h...agewanted=print

quote: The medical challenges to face transplantation are formidable. As Dr. Siemionow envisions it, the series of operations will require rotating teams of specialists who may be deployed in more than one operating theater. The face to be transplanted will be removed, or "degloved," from a cadaver; it will most likely include the epidermis, along with the underlying fat, nerves and blood vessels, but no musculature.

Long article, but good read...

	26-07-2005 21:37									#2
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Trying to tell us something Kaak?

I always wondered about this bit:

quote: What are the psychological ramifications for the recipient's family, and the donor's, if the recipient actually comes to resemble the donor?

Although the article points out why this is unlikely, it would be unsettling to see dead uncle Bob strolling through the market.....

	26-07-2005 22:12									#3
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Did you not see that movie?! Anyway, I think there are a lot of ethical issues involved that need to be taken in to consideration..

	26-07-2005 23:01									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak Did you not see that movie?! Anyway, I think there are a lot of ethical issues involved that need to be taken in to consideration..

What 'ethical issues' could be compared to the benefit of providing or restoring facial features to someone with extreme disfigurement?

	27-07-2005 00:02									#5
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He's referring to the movie "FACE OFF" Where a federal agent get's a face transplant from a supposedly dead terrorist in order to try to fool the terrorist's brother into telling him where the bomb he placed was located.

	27-07-2005 01:30									#6
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Spence: while improving the quality of life for the patient, it will almost assuredly shorten their life. Also, from this it is just a small step to making someone look like the person whose face they are acquiring...Also, i'm signed up as a donor, but I don't want my face to be what's donated...call me selfish, but that's just freaky to me.

	27-07-2005 02:32									#7
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I havent seen the movie so its unreasonable to comment.

As to its shortening their life, I dont see why it would do so.

I was watching part of a show the other day about a special effects guy who makes prosthetic devices based on photos of the person. Its amazing how much more human someone looks with a nose and ears. The cops wife (he had been burnt in a car accident) broke down when she saw features she recognized on his face.

Certainly it might be strange for your family to know that a someone else had your face. The point is that they wont have your face. They wouldnt have the same bones, muscles, etc so would look much different.

30 years ago, most people found it strange to think that someone else would have your transplanted heart or kidneys. This is really no different.

	27-07-2005 09:06									#8
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I do support this for people with disfigured faces.

Though, even if you get someone else's face, they are still going to look different, because the other person has a different bone structure than the donor, at least I would assume.

	27-07-2005 09:10									#9
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gross

	27-07-2005 09:14									#10
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One would hope the doner would not have opted for an open casket...

	27-07-2005 09:16									#11
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Come on, let's face the facts here


You can't take this one at face value

	27-07-2005 09:21									#12
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On the face of it, this seems like a good idea. We might come face-to-face with some troubling aspects in the future, though. Hopefully the doctors pioneering this technique will face up to any such problems if they crop up, rather than covering them up in order to save face.

	27-07-2005 09:22									#13
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Face the facts, Drake, your jokes fell face flat in the mud

	27-07-2005 09:23									#14
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What jokes?

	27-07-2005 09:25									#15
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Oh yeah, now you put your best face forward

	27-07-2005 10:53									#16
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Spencer: read the whole article...the body tries to reject foreign tissue, particularly skin. Recipients have to take autoimune dampening drugs to keep the body from rejecting the transplanted tissue...

	27-07-2005 10:58									#17
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They gotta take that crap for life?

	27-07-2005 16:03									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak Spencer: read the whole article...the body tries to reject foreign tissue, particularly skin. Recipients have to take autoimune dampening drugs to keep the body from rejecting the transplanted tissue...

Thats true for virtually all transplant recipients though. There are side effects to drugs like cyclosporin A, FK506, and maybe newer drugs (that I havent bothered to keep track of), however, the effects are manageable.

	29-07-2005 02:44									#19
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wait. what? LOL

	29-07-2005 03:41									#20
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LOL