26-07-2005 18:50									#1
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quote: China releases second generation MIPS microprocessor Submitted by Editor on Mon, 2005-07-25 14:01. Hardware China has started production of the 64-bit Godson-2 ("Dragon") microprocessor. Based on the popular MIPS architecture, this release could be an important step forward for China's semi-conductor design and fabrication industry. The CPUs is 95% MIPS compatible using an unauthorized and unlicensed variation of the MIPS architecture, which is owned by the American company MIPS Technologies. The CPU is made by BLX IC Design Corp and the company plans on using these chips for China's booming domestic consumer electronics market. If and when they are used in exported goods, the company may face legal challenges from MIPS Technologies for infringing on its intellectual property. The Godson-2 is pretty much a copy of the MIPS R10000 which makes it on par with 1995 technology. The move still shows that China is capable of designing complex microprocessors. The main restraint on their performance is that Chinese chip-fabrication technology lags about two generations behind the rest of the industry. The Chinese have been trying to gain access to state-of-the-art fabrication technology by outsourcing manufacturing to other foundries and by trying get chip companies to invest in manufacturing facilities in Mainland China.

	26-07-2005 18:53									#2
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I bet people were laughing at Japan in the 60s/70s.

	26-07-2005 18:55									#3
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Were they cloning 1950's tech?

	26-07-2005 18:56									#4
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Why do you think the PRC doesn't attack Taiwan? It's their best chance to leapfrog directly to just below the cutting edge in chip technology, and the cutting edge of quality semi-conductor and circuit board manufacturing.

	26-07-2005 18:56									#5
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Here I was thinking that Japan was innovating in the 60s/70s, using the transistors in things called "radios" and such. You know, moving technology and the industry forward...not to mention making fuel efficient cars in the late 70s.

	26-07-2005 18:58									#6
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China has rockets! More than we can for France.

A step forward is a step forward, even if it is a step we took decades ago.

	26-07-2005 18:59									#7
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I predict an awful lot of Solitude being played in China's "domestic consumer electronics market".

	26-07-2005 18:59									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Japher China has rockets! More than we can for France. A step forward is a step forward, even if it is a step we took decades ago.

I'm not sure that cloning a CPU is really that much of a step forward.

If they designed their own chip and instruction set, then perhaps...

	26-07-2005 19:01									#9
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It is as far as a manufacturing is concerned, IMO.

	26-07-2005 19:03									#10
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Manufacturing is a bit of a different industry, they're already at 150nm I think, which is not too bad.

The western world is at 90nm, nearly at 65nm...so China's only 2 generations/3-4 years behind there.

	26-07-2005 19:03									#11
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Were they cloning 1950's tech?

Yes they copied all kinds of American stuff. Often exactly, including some funny examples where they copied damage. But they quickly got better and better and were soon copying contemporary stuff and then went on to developing better newer stuff.

China might be 10 years behind now but it'll catch up, give them 20 years and it the prospect is frightening.

	26-07-2005 19:06									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Yes they copied all kinds of American stuff. Often exactly, including some funny examples where they copied damage. But they quickly got better and better and were soon copying contemporary stuff and then went on to developing better newer stuff. China might be 10 years behind now but it'll catch up, give them 20 years and it the prospect is frightening.

They're moving at a glacial pace...IIRC it was ~3 years ago that they cloned a CPU from 1993.

	26-07-2005 19:09									#13
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Being Canadian I assume you've seen what a glacier does to a valley...

	26-07-2005 19:09									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Here I was thinking that Japan was innovating in the 60s/70s, using the transistors in things called "radios" and such.

I'm old enough to remember when "Made in Japan" meant junk.

	26-07-2005 19:11									#15
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm old enough to remember when "Made in Japan" meant junk.

It still does depending which backwards state you live in.

They made good stuff in the 70s.

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Being Canadian I assume you've seen what a glacier does to a valley...

Out west we have the problems of receding glaciers, they're going to vanish at some point in the future.

	26-07-2005 19:15									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It still does depending which backwards state you live in. They made good stuff in the 70s.

See how quickly things changed?

	26-07-2005 19:15									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Out west we have the problems of receding glaciers, they're going to vanish at some point in the future.

Er... yes, receding to leave the huge valleys which you must have seen?

	26-07-2005 19:18									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Asher They made good stuff in the 70s.

They made some good stuff in the '70s.

	26-07-2005 19:28									#20
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Er... yes, receding to leave the huge valleys which you must have seen?

Nope, receding into the rivers which then gets used by farms for irrigation and people for drinking.

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	26-07-2005 19:43									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Nope, receding into the rivers which then gets used by farms for irrigation and people for drinking.

Here's a picture of one (a canadian one) for you. Note the enormous valley.

http://cnef.earthsciences.dal.ca/Ne...acialValley.JPG

	26-07-2005 19:47									#23
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I see a weak river.

An appropriate comparison.

	26-07-2005 23:35									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Here I was thinking that Japan was innovating in the 60s/70s, using the transistors in things called "radios" and such. You know, moving technology and the industry forward...not to mention making fuel efficient cars in the late 70s.

Radios were innovative in the 60s?

Marconi must have been a genius to be so far ahead of his time!!

	26-07-2005 23:37									#25
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Transistor radios...mid 50s they first were invented IIRC. By Sony...

	26-07-2005 23:41									#26
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I thought it was Bell Labs in the late 40s.

Maybe that was just the transistor though.

	26-07-2005 23:43									#27
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Bell Labs invented the transistor.

The I.D.E.A. Corporation invented the transistor radio, the Regency TR-1.

	26-07-2005 23:45									#28
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Yes, but Sony made the first transistor radio and started the whole electronics boom in Japan...

	26-07-2005 23:45									#29
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No they didn't. Unless they were known as the I.D.E.A. Corporation: http://www.antiqueradio.com/ward_history_12-98.html

	26-07-2005 23:46									#30
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