29-07-2005 22:25									#31
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Do you think anybody will notice the difference?

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	29-07-2005 22:27									#32
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Bunnies

	29-07-2005 22:53									#33
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Yin's a rabbit!

	29-07-2005 23:14									#34
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Do you think anybody will notice the difference?

Of course we will notice! That cardbox isn't an original Civ cardbox. You're supposed to eat the game cardbox.

	29-07-2005 23:40									#35
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The bunny does not seem very concerned about ICS, so I think we would note the difference.

	30-07-2005 00:21									#36
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I GOT IT! : http://www.dailyhog.com/cardboard_pizza.htm

	30-07-2005 00:45									#37
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And let's hope that this year won't be...

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	30-07-2005 02:39									#38
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bow down before me

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	30-07-2005 03:20									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Aro Of course we will notice! That cardbox isn't an original Civ cardbox. You're supposed to eat the game cardbox.

Well, well: maybe that's "beta" gamebox.

Anyone can see that rabbit is Yin's portrait: he's training into eating cardbox "just in case" because he's a professional. Go Yin!

	30-07-2005 04:49									#40
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The "positivity post"????

How was Yin allowed in here??
Shouldn't he be banned from posting in this thread?


just kidding

	30-07-2005 04:56									#41
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Yin is now quite a positive aspect, seeing how everyone is looking forward to him eating the box .

	31-07-2005 03:07									#42
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Shredded cardboard carbonara for one

150 g pasta of your choice
1 dl cream
100 g bacon
1 egg yolk
1 clove of garlic
1/2 dl onion (finely chopped)
1 table spoon of grated parmesan
1 dl shredded cardboard.

a pinch of salt
some pepper
a dash of oregano

Mix the egg yolk, parmesan, cream and the spices in a bowl. Fry the bacon, onion and garlic in a medium hot pan. Mix in the cream mixture. Pour the whole thing over the freshly cooked pasta. Grate some more parmesan on top and add the shredded cardboard. Enjoy!

There ya go, yin!

	01-08-2005 02:58									#43
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I'd like to see an AI that isn't completly incapable.

	01-08-2005 04:09									#44
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I have little doubt that ICS will live forever. If its not 1-square spacing it'll be 2.

Also, whats the problem with the colonisation rush? Has any civilisation ever prospered by sitting back on its laurels while other more acquisative civs expand their resource gathering base? It sounds to me like some "Perfect Builders" have had their beautiful landscaped empire spoilt by a colour clashing rival Civ because they forgot what game they were really playing.

With the lack of corruption and riots I suspect it might be the case that you'll get ICSs (or a continually repeating unit of blanket terraforming mathematically worked out to be the most beneficial) across the whole map.

Personally, I'm in for the Civics.

	01-08-2005 04:13									#45
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There are actually loads of ways to make ICS inefficient. Some of them wouldn't work so well, though, others would be unfun, but I'm sure that Civ4 has picked some good way to end it.

	01-08-2005 04:18									#46
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A flat city cap would be my bet

	01-08-2005 04:20									#47
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That's about the most boring and less imaginative way to do it .

	01-08-2005 04:26									#48
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Hence why it will be chosen!

(SMAC style B-drones ftw)

	01-08-2005 05:51									#49
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ICS in Civ4? Not possible! (...this is the positivity post...)

P.S. My thanks to everybody on their culinary suggestions!

	01-08-2005 06:11									#50
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Personally, I am looking forward to the new Civics and religion systems, a much better diplomacy and trade system (fingers crossed) and AI civs with distinct personalities. Oh, and a curbing of the Snowball effect which does not rely on a broken corruption system.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

	01-08-2005 06:43									#51
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You guys are wishing that 1+1 != 2. Unless some serious changes are made to base facilities in the order of doubling their effect while halving their mineral cost then horizontal expansion will always be (initially) greater than vertical expansion.

Colonisation used variants of Golden Ages/We love the X day to encourage vertical expansion with the highest version of these giving +2 of each resource per tile. I wonder what we're going to see in Civ 4 if anything...

	01-08-2005 08:11									#52
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Senethro, you're ruining a perfectly good Positivity Post . Are you trying to take over Yin's job or something? From what I have seen, there are several things which will make ICS far far less viable as a strategy:

1) Specialisation focus and Great People. Both of these will make investing in a city for longer much more worthwhile-rather than turning them into settler factories.

2) When you add together the lost income from generating a settler and the added cost of the new city formed by said settler, players' budgets will have to recover each time they found a new city, before they can use that city to generate more settlers.

3) No more direct link between food and population growth. The more nebulous health connection will probably make it more difficult to MM your settler dioarheah.

4) Just speculation, but I get the feeling that the money you invest in culture will become diluted by the number of cities you have-thus increasing the chance that your new cities will end up becoming enveloped by other nation's cultural borders.

I confess that none of these things alone-or even combined-will stop ICS dead, but I do suspect that they will make ICS a far less viable strategy-and without placing arbitrary restrictions on players.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

	01-08-2005 08:31									#53
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quote: Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker Senethro, you're ruining a perfectly good Positivity Post . Are you trying to take over Yin's job or something? ................................. Yours, Aussie_Lurker.

	01-08-2005 10:22									#54
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In Civ1 and Civ2, later in to a game, once you got in to a no-corruption government, I used to settle new cities on distant islands and such. Civ3 killed that. I'm looking forward to being able to do that again! I have a really soft spot for growing new colonies no matter how late in the game things are progressing. If I see a sweet spot of land that looks like fun, I'm going to grab it!

Who cares if I, like, "win" or anything. LOOK AT MY COOL NEW CITY!


- Sirian

	01-08-2005 10:33									#55
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Well, so long as you do the work neccessary for that city to be self-sufficient, financially, then that is your right Sirrian !

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

	01-08-2005 14:07									#56
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Who cares if it's self-sufficient? IT'S FUN! Expanding is fun. I'd expand to the moon if the game would let me.

	02-08-2005 07:53									#57
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banana graphics

	02-08-2005 10:22									#58
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I am looking forward to seeing what new things the Firaxis team has created here. I've shared the pessimism and the hurt over CivIII, but I also have enjoyed the new ideas and the improvements introduced in the previous game.

Bring it on Firaxis! Shows us what you got!

	02-08-2005 10:28									#59
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quote: Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker Personally, I am looking forward to the new Civics and religion systems, a much better diplomacy and trade system (fingers crossed) and AI civs with distinct personalities. Oh, and a curbing of the Snowball effect which does not rely on a broken corruption system. Yours, Aussie_Lurker.

Agreed.

	04-08-2005 08:59									#60
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I'm interested in seeing how the new boolean tech tree will work, with the choosing and the researching and the inventing of strange new devices. Mwa-hey.