28-07-2005 22:49									#1
	Do you play with self-imposed restrictions? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Basic question. When you have previously played Civ, and when you start playing Civ 4, do you play with self-restrctions?

I mean either "this unit is too powerful and unbalanced, so I won't use it"

or...

"It would be a-moral to declare war on another civ unless I have just reason to do so"

or... some such reason.

	28-07-2005 22:51									#2
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also, to make this a valid Civ4 thread... what new features in Civ 4 do you think will cause you to impose such restrictions

	29-07-2005 00:38									#3
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	29-07-2005 01:07									#4
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Nope, I don't - except, of course, using exploits such as the 9999 gold bug from Civ3 or similar things. I may roleplay a bit in some games, say, play the peaceful guy and only fight with a very good reason, but it's more for different playstyles than for roleplaying anyway.

	29-07-2005 01:12									#5
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OCC or 5-CC

I play with these restrictions more than not.

	29-07-2005 01:12									#6
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no, never

its called advantages

my guess on question 2....religon..a different culture flip?

	29-07-2005 01:22									#7
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On another thread, I mentioned a possible religion exploit that works like this:

In civ4, you won't lose the benefits of a religion-specific building if you choose a different religion as your state religion.

Therefore, "religion-hopping" could be a viable exploit, allowing you to keep changing religions and building all the structures associated with them in order to reap their benefits.

Someone (I think it was Solver) said that probably this "religion-hopping" mechanism won't work because of penalties for those who choose a different religion. I suppose the penalties would be severe enough in order to discourage this tactic. But we'll only know for sure when the game is released, I guess.

	29-07-2005 01:26									#8
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somehow, i think changing the state religion won't change the religion of everyone in your nation.

so if you spend a few hundred years under Hinduism and then change to Islam, you'll get more revolt than anything else.

	29-07-2005 01:38									#9
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I tend to roleplay my games so yes.

quote: play the peaceful guy and only fight with a very good reason

	29-07-2005 01:43									#10
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No, I like to crush my enemies and make glue from their bones

	29-07-2005 01:47									#11
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Yes, I play for the experience -- not a mathematical exercise to defeat all enemy civs by 1000 BC. So, basically, I play for fun

You see, it's a method to eliminate the inherent micromanagement that will be in any game.

	29-07-2005 01:55									#12
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Sometimes, when I'm RPing, but I have no set of "house rules" that I use.

	29-07-2005 03:01									#13
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Outside of the OCC or 5-CC (which I HIGHLY recommend), I play games where I don't permit myself to capture/destroy AI cities. Makes for challenging games.

One of the funest (is that a word?) scenerios I have played was one where no one can build settlers, but GLs had the settle ability (and the settle tag marked for the AI). Lots of fun but it turns out that the human will always win because the AI doesn't know how to leader farm....

	29-07-2005 03:21									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal One of the funest (is that a word?)

Yes, but it´s spelled "funnest"

	29-07-2005 03:37									#15
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not really, but there are things I do which aren't the most efficient. I do them for aesthetic (sp?) reasons.

Like mining grassland. I always mined shielded grassland. But I prefer to irrigate unshielded grassland.

	29-07-2005 04:17									#16
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I play SMAC with very strict restrictions -- CIV4 ... I'll play it "regular" until I figure it out and then maybe restrict myself

	29-07-2005 05:28									#17
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I'm trying to figure out how to counter the Statue of Zues (sp)

The horse units are too powerful, allowing me to overrun and win too fast. On the other hand if I don't build it and an AI civ does, well I don't like going up against them for the same reason. I could just build the damn thing and delete the horse units in my cities when they are built, to make up for the cost of building the wonder...yeah, that's it! Thanks!

	29-07-2005 13:02									#18
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Mostly OCC and avoiding exploits like bomber shielding or incremental rush buying. It's neither very strict nor always the same. I would sometimes not use diplomats to make it harder for instance.

	29-07-2005 14:06									#19
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I never ever use my conjoined twin.

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	29-07-2005 14:58									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg No, I like to crush my enemies and make glue from their bones

	29-07-2005 15:23									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg No, I like to crush my enemies and make glue from their bones

Similar to the Timurid pyramid selling scheme:

quote: The revolt that broke out all over Persia while Timur was away on these campaigns, were repressed with ruthless vigor; whole cities were destroyed, their populations massacred and pyramids built of their skulls.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5246/Timur.html

	29-07-2005 16:27									#22
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In Civ3, when playing lower than deity, I never used any artillery/catapult/etc and destroyed the ones I cought.

	29-07-2005 17:05									#23
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Similar to the Timurid pyramid selling scheme: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5246/Timur.html

Timur

	30-07-2005 02:52									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot somehow, i think changing the state religion won't change the religion of everyone in your nation. so if you spend a few hundred years under Hinduism and then change to Islam, you'll get more revolt than anything else.

that would be just awfull no matter what you switch from or to

if I lose too many games/cities like that, either mod out or unistall

is there an upper limit to how many religons at once in any given city?

	30-07-2005 03:33									#25
	Re: Do you play with self-imposed restrictions? Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by Ninot Basic question. When you have previously played Civ, and when you start playing Civ 4, do you play with self-restrctions?

Frankly this is a rather personal question. What I do in the privacy of my own home with consenting adult humans is of no concern to anyone on this board. However, in the interest of public enlightenment, I will say that bondage does tend to restrict my ability to use the mouse and forces me to use the keyboard using "other means" (I'll leave what that means to your imagination), and self-asphyxiation tends to lead to poor decision-making due to the decreased flow of blood to my brain.

edit: I'm so embarassed. Now that I've read the rest of the thread, I see this isn't what you meant by "self-restrictions". I'm so embarassed.

	30-07-2005 11:24									#26
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I don't use obvious exploits and I prefer to limit my micromanagement. It makes the upper levels quite difficult, but then I'm playing for fun, not to dig myself out of a massive hole every game

	30-07-2005 23:57									#27
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I'll tape my index finger to my middle finger and turn my mouse pad upside down.

	31-07-2005 01:51									#28
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yes.

Yes!

YES !!!



my usual set-up involves a judas stool, a figure-hugging vinyl bodysuit and a very long catheter.

ps. tim currie is not an atheist
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	31-07-2005 07:31									#29
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quote: Originally posted by lebensraum my usual set-up involves a judas stool, a figure-hugging vinyl bodysuit and a very long catheter.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

	31-07-2005 07:53									#30
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quote: Originally posted by patcon ...and self-asphyxiation tends to lead to poor decision-making due to the decreased flow of blood to my brain.