29-07-2005 21:27									#1
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Water on mars .. some may say .. where's the news ??

Well, I thought ESA's most recent pic of it sitting in a crater was worth a look, incase you didn't believe it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4727847.stm

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Ex...GKA808BE_0.html

	29-07-2005 21:40									#2
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awesome pic. Is there a larger pic?

	29-07-2005 21:52									#3
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damn it... we've been discovered!

	30-07-2005 00:22									#4
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I wonder if it has water vapour outgassing during the summer (mars can reach about 20 C, but the pressure is too low for SURFACE liquid water).

This would be a great place for a Zubrin colony. Just camp right over the ice dome and collect the vapour.

	30-07-2005 00:28									#5
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Unfortunately, it's in a polar region, so it doesn't reach anywhere near 20 C and is therefore not suitable for human use.

Still quite cool, though.

	30-07-2005 00:35									#6
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exquisite!

	30-07-2005 00:35									#7
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the warmest areas WOULD have to be the driest

	30-07-2005 00:39									#8
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They will find life on Mars, in whatever guise, eventually.

	30-07-2005 00:40									#9
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$5 bucks say we also find Saddam's WoMD... on Mars that is.

	30-07-2005 00:40									#10
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And it will still be irrelevant. We still know nothing about our deepest oceans.

	30-07-2005 00:49									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue And it will still be irrelevant. We still know nothing about our deepest oceans.

So knowing nothing about one subject means knowing something about another subject is pointless?

	30-07-2005 00:52									#12
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If knowing that something about that other subject costs about 2000 times as much, yes.

	30-07-2005 00:54									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue If knowing that something about that other subject costs about 2000 times as much, yes.

Thats the beauty of space exploration, it's free - the Yanks pay for it all!

	30-07-2005 00:57									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Az Is there a larger pic?

They have links under the small frame. Is a 13 MB jpeg big enough?
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images...1-CraterIce.jpg

	30-07-2005 01:26									#15
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Mozilla is about to freeze in the parallel session I am running.

	30-07-2005 01:48									#16
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Thats the beauty of space exploration, it's free - the Yanks pay for it all!

Not quite. AFAIK, this pic is an ESA achievement (the Yanks have their rovers on the surface, while we have the advanced satellite in orbit)

OTOH, the ESA is not like NASA. We don't spend like there is no tomorrow

	30-07-2005 02:55									#17
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I am surprised it has not sublimated over time, but there we go...interesting...

	30-07-2005 02:59									#18
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it looks like an oversized bathbasin made of clay. but still it's in mars so ouaou

	30-07-2005 03:00									#19
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It looks like its changed shape over time, Im sure I can see faint outlines of large outspills .. but then again, that could just be the way the dust gets blown about in the crater .. its a huge crater also..

	30-07-2005 03:09									#20
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That ice crater is my new desktop.

	30-07-2005 03:14									#21
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just when you think you know where the next rover will go .. they find something new .. Its been a great few years for space exploration..

	30-07-2005 03:17									#22
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Btw, so let's finalize: is it a vulcanic lake, or not?

	30-07-2005 07:11									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker I wonder if it has water vapour outgassing during the summer (mars can reach about 20 C, but the pressure is too low for SURFACE liquid water). This would be a great place for a Zubrin colony. Just camp right over the ice dome and collect the vapour.

People tend to forget that Mars is a lot like Antarctica only without the air or snow.

	30-07-2005 08:33									#24
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PArts of Antarctica are just like that.

Interesting shape. Is it 'bubbling' up from the 'vast sea' underneath?

	30-07-2005 08:52									#25
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That is interesting news. I wonder why I havent seen it anywhere else?

	30-07-2005 14:53									#26
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Awesome picture Its very blue looking water isn't it, and its a huge amount! I hope people get interested in space properly again - our future is out there so to speak, we need to secure that future before we stuff up our one habitable planet.

The cost doesn't bother me - especialy when you consider how much gets spent on war.

@Park Avenue(and others with the cost arguement) you could look at it like this:

Explore Mars at great cost
Make weapons and kill each other at great cost

	02-08-2005 20:11									#27
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It is sublimating PH, remember that ice can flow. We're probably looking at the top of an ice 'well' that is self-replenishing.

And antarctica is a an excellent model for mars in temperature, they are nearly the same, but in atmospheric pressure....only our stratosphere is equivalent (and bacteria have been found even at these extremely high altitudes).

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quote: Originally posted by Az That ice crater is my new desktop.

Yup, me too.

Better compress it a little though.

	02-08-2005 21:48									#29
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There's already plans for a Club Med on the north shore.

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Hmm. This story is quite fascinating, along with the photo, which I first thought was an "artist's rendition" because it's so sharp.

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