31-07-2005 05:04									#31
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Not one of you people got my joke.

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	31-07-2005 05:12									#32
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if no one got it, does it mean it doesn't qualify as a joke, or does it mean it was simply a bad joke. OR does it mean the joke was good, but we are bad? What is bad? The opposite of good, and if bad is the opposite of good, should we try to avoid the bad, since we know good is something we want.. but if sometimes we want cold, we might sometimes need heat, so why would not wanting bad be trivial.

SO MUCH QUESTIONS UNANSWERED OMG!

	31-07-2005 08:34									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed I can't stand the point of the movie. It's philosophically anti-technology, anti-artificial intelligence.

AI going haywire is a cheap convenient excuse of a plot for an action movie. There is an episode in ST: TOS along similar lines.

I think the movie would be much better if they used an SSBN instead of an airplane. An SSBN that happens to carry nuclear missiles, that is. The thing can stay out at sea for years, and it can launch devestating attacks against any country in the world. You can do a lot with something like that.

	31-07-2005 08:50									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Like far too many movies these days, being dullardly luddite ...

	31-07-2005 09:09									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Not one of you people got my joke. ACK!

	31-07-2005 09:24									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Verto

Oh, I get it, stealth laughter......

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	31-07-2005 10:18									#37
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Was a cool movie (period) but not the coolest i've seen.

	31-07-2005 16:26									#38
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The Family T went to Sky High, which was kind of cute for a little nothing movie. It was about what I expected, other than the John Hughes 80s-teen-movie hommages - that wasn't expected at all. The movie even ended with Modern English's I Melt With You - no Tenderness though, which would've made the references complete.

Sophie liked it and spent the next few hours impressing us with her superpowers ("I can run REALLY FASTER!!" plus she is able to do her karate warm-up exercises at the drop of a pin. ) Mommy liked it because Sophie was quiet (well... relatively quiet), relaxed, and sat in her lap for the entire film.

	01-08-2005 01:55									#39
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OK, here's the thing. My brother is not the brightest bulb in the X-mas tree string. He, in fact, is that one that irritates you with that constant flickering no matter the settings.

So he goes to see Stealth today. When done, he calls me up and says, in drop-dead seriousness:

"This movie explains perfectly why we shouldn't have computers replace people!"

I just burst out laughing. "Jim! It's a movie!"

"Yeah, but if we put these planes and missles in control of computers, and lightening hits them, they'll go all crazy!"

"Jim! It's... a... MOVIE!" still laughing

"You just don't keep up with military technology developments like I do!"

"You mean I don't get them from movies? Yeah, you're right there. Guilty as charged!"

"The idea is to save people, but if the things go haywire it could kill more people than it saves! And the cost is incredible!"

"So what dollar-value do you place on human life?"

"Huh?"

"How inexpensive will an automated plane have to be before you determine that producing them is cheaper than producing planes that end up killing pilots? $50 million? $20 million?"

"... You're not getting it."

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	01-08-2005 02:59									#40
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Are you sure it's your brother that is not the brightest bulb?

	01-08-2005 03:29									#41
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Pretty sure.

I mean, I really love my brother, but that was just too funny.

	01-08-2005 03:36									#42
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	01-08-2005 09:38									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Az bet your ass it's going to be profitable.

No it won't.

quote: "Stealth," about Navy pilots (Josh Lucas, Jessica Biel and Jamie Foxx) taking on a rogue drone plane, crashed and burned, finishing at No. 4 with $13.5 million. With an estimated $100 million production budget, "Stealth" will prove a costly money-loser for distributor Sony.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/merc...ws/12270942.htm

Basically mainstream Hollywood movies like this one generally drop alot in the revenue they produce the second week they are out, so this one is almost certainly going to be a huge money loser.

From what I heard, the movie was originally going to be released much earlier, I think the reschedueling of its release means Sony wrote it off as being likely to suceed in advance when they realized how much it sucked. (Even Holleywood movie execes have a certain level of perception.)

	01-08-2005 09:57									#44
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Yuck. Rottentomatoes rates it at 11%

	01-08-2005 09:59									#45
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justice

	01-08-2005 21:53									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Mordoch No it won't. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/merc...ws/12270942.htm Basically mainstream Hollywood movies like this one generally drop alot in the revenue they produce the second week they are out, so this one is almost certainly going to be a huge money loser. From what I heard, the movie was originally going to be released much earlier, I think the reschedueling of its release means Sony wrote it off as being likely to suceed in advance when they realized how much it sucked. (Even Holleywood movie execes have a certain level of perception.)

Yes, the movie was first going to be release July 8 weekend and then moved to July 29th. I don.t remember the name of the other movie that was release July 8th. Was it Batman?

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quote: Originally posted by Mordoch No it won't. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/merc...ws/12270942.htm Basically mainstream Hollywood movies like this one generally drop alot in the revenue they produce the second week they are out, so this one is almost certainly going to be a huge money loser. From what I heard, the movie was originally going to be released much earlier, I think the reschedueling of its release means Sony wrote it off as being likely to suceed in advance when they realized how much it sucked. (Even Holleywood movie execes have a certain level of perception.)

Proof that many execs are dumber than dirt. I will never know how they rose to their positions over much more competent people who can't seem to get a promotion.

	02-08-2005 00:26									#48
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We were going to see Stealth last weekend, but I dodged a bullet by reminding the other people going that we hadn't seen Wedding Crashers yet.

	02-08-2005 01:03									#49
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I also don't understand the title. If it's about AI planes, why the **** name it "Stealth" ?

Doesn't change my dislike for the basic foundation of the movie, which strikes me as harshly anti-technology.

2001 I don't find anti-technology, largely because by the end of the movie, we see that HAL is very human in a lot of senses; and it's clear that technology is not the enemy, what with the monolith granting transcendant powers upon Bowman.

	02-08-2005 01:05									#50
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Especially since it is clear that HAL only went insane because it was forced to lie by the people in charge on earth.

	02-08-2005 01:22									#51
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Oh, come on, with its international release and eventual DVD sales the movie should at least make the investors their money back, only in a couple of years, not one.

	02-08-2005 01:36									#52
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GePap:

Actually, I hope **** like this doesn't make their money back. Seriously. It's crap, through and through.

	02-08-2005 02:37									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed GePap: Actually, I hope **** like this doesn't make their money back. Seriously. It's crap, through and through.

In the eye of the beholder only.

	02-08-2005 03:54									#54
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So, Joseph, are you anti-technology? Do you actually agree with the philosophy espoused in this movie?

	02-08-2005 03:59									#55
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Not to mention the gaping plot holes that you could fly one of those planes through.

	02-08-2005 04:51									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Do you actually agree with the philosophy espoused in this movie?

Re seeking philosophy in a summer movie: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...547#post3939547

	02-08-2005 05:25									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed So, Joseph, are you anti-technology? Do you actually agree with the philosophy espoused in this movie?

No, I want technology to go ahead. The UCAV from this movie, I have seen in pictures. So this UCAV without the computer is being consider somewhere. I would like to see them build a read model of this fighter and see if it would fly.

	02-08-2005 06:32									#58
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Re seeking philosophy in a summer movie: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...547#post3939547

DD, if a blockbuster like this were so biased against anything not technological, it would have been protested by at least a hundred citizens' action groups.

I'm sick of technology being repeatedly cast in the light of the villian. If mechanization scares people so damn much, why the **** don't they just worship the gorram unabomber and become the medieval-age rubes they so cherish?

	02-08-2005 06:33									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph No, I want technology to go ahead. The UCAV from this movie, I have seen in pictures. So this UCAV without the computer is being consider somewhere. I would like to see them build a read model of this fighter and see if it would fly.

And I'm telling you why I don't want this movie to make any money, because it sucks.

It's deliberately anti-technology. Casting technology and artificial intelligence as a villian shows a remarkably hateful bias towards progress and advancement of all mankind.

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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed It's deliberately anti-technology. Casting technology and artificial intelligence as a villian shows a remarkably hateful bias towards progress and advancement of all mankind.

Oh, bullshit. Everything gets cast as villain some time or other. It shows Hollywood hacking the same story around using different things for different parts. Next summer there'll be robotic dogs saving the world from Terrorists or something.

That's beside the fact that all technology should be scrutinised for villainous tendencies (a scrutiny for which fiction is a good medium). Maybe the film is crap, but the story of the AI which rebelled is the oldest in SF, and it won't go away. If the technology can't take it, then either the positive PR isn't good enough, or mankind decided that such a thing is not a progressive, advantageous, or even desirable.