02-08-2005 06:57									#61
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Technology and AI being the villian has been done well in numerous stories and environments. Hell, you've got Dune (pre-prequel), Fading Suns, 2001, and a few others, for instance.

And honestly, I can't think of a movie where technology is cast as one of the primary heroes against villians--but I can list many where technology is one of the primary villians.

As far as scrutiny being good and in fiction and all that--I agree. But when it appears in pure shite, with ginormous plotholes, it's insulting to the debate, to the technology, and to the audience.

	02-08-2005 06:59									#62
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It's also possible that writers and directors are getting back at years of flunking math and science class.

	02-08-2005 07:15									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed I'm sick of technology being repeatedly cast in the light of the villian.

This shows you haven't seen the movie.

	02-08-2005 07:25									#64
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I think we'll be better off when robots rule the world. I could do with an extended vacation.

	02-08-2005 07:38									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed DD, if a blockbuster like this were so biased against anything not technological, it would have been protested by at least a hundred citizens' action groups.

Maybe you should start a Fighter Drone Rights activist group.

	02-08-2005 08:39									#66
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I actually heard that the evil plane turns good at the end. Or something like that. True or no?

	02-08-2005 09:05									#67
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Yes.

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That sounds horrible.

	02-08-2005 09:26									#69
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Is it also true that they give the jet a funeral?

Is it as heartwrenching as it sounds?

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Gawd, it's even more awful than it first appears.

	02-08-2005 13:34									#71
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quote: I actually heard that the evil plane turns good at the end. Or something like that. True or no?

quote: Yes

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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 Is it also true that they give the jet a funeral?

No.

	02-08-2005 18:37									#73
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 I actually heard that the evil plane turns good at the end. Or something like that. True or no?

The Snape Plane.

	02-08-2005 22:22									#74
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc This shows you haven't seen the movie.

Of course not. Why would I pay money to watch that schlock? I'm going by the previews.

	02-08-2005 22:22									#75
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Maybe you should start a Fighter Drone Rights activist group.

You're talking to someone who already looks forward to the day when our cybernetic children take us to the stars.

	02-08-2005 22:24									#76
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...the plane turns good? Okay, maybe I'll scale back my harsh condemnation, at least from a philosophical standpoint.

Now, if anything Roger Ebert says is true about the plot, then it still offends me on those grounds.

	02-08-2005 22:50									#77
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Why dont they just create a movie that consists of nothing but one LONG series of Explosions narrowly missing the Ass of our protagonist in the classic "Jumping out of the explosion at the last possible second" deal. It would start small with Cars exploding and work its way up to Buses, Boats, Trains, Planes ect. Then the excitment builds as small gas stations are blown up followed by office buildings and a whole City block. In the Climax the Hero darkest hour comes as a "micro-Nuke" cleverly concealed in an I-Pod and foisted on him by the generic Terrorist (but not an Arab ofcorse because that would be politicaly incorrect, instead a white Neo-Natzi will be the villan). Ofcorse our Hero at the last moment punches the bad guy and stuffs the bomb down his pants to before jumping completly out of the blast area of the Nuke at the last moment.

	02-08-2005 22:57									#78
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Too much plot

	03-08-2005 01:37									#79
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Oh, come on, with its international release and eventual DVD sales the movie should at least make the investors their money back, only in a couple of years, not one.

Perhaps, but keep in mind the $100 million is just the production budget, so it doesn't count the millions of dollars spent on advertising and promotions. With a $13.5 million debut weekend, I doubt the movie will break $50 million domestically. And I don't see much market for it overseas. I think by any definition, this movie is a failure.

Not surprising, either, since all the previews indicate it sucks very rotten eggs.