31-07-2005 17:36									#31
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I just knew we could turn this into a debate by the end of the first page.

	31-07-2005 17:44									#32
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Oh, bull. I'm not saying he's writing a commercial, I'm saying that he's selling the worthiness of his ideas to other people.

I know, I'm just so fed up with the whole idea to "sell" your idea. If it's a good idea it should sell itself, unless the audience consists of idiots. Of course, since many of the so called scientists out there are in fact idiots, your point is valid.

	31-07-2005 17:45									#33
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But a good idea, poorly worded, is not a good idea. It's a poorly worded essay that nobody will read.

	31-07-2005 17:50									#34
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True. The problem is that people tend to exaggerate the importance of their findings a lot, showing only the data that supports their radical conclusion and so on. It borders on fraud many times. Anything to get a good CV, basically

	31-07-2005 19:33									#35
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While I agree that scientific outcomes should not be presented in an overly pretentious style, the researchers needn't be cautiously modest either.

"Innovativeness" is an essential part of the academic research/paper. There is no purpose in studying something that's already known, is there?

Yes, some authors have mastered the ancient art of bullshitido to a great extent, but "innovativeness" needs to be there. It forms the scientific purpose of the research; to contribute to the current body of academic knowledge.

	31-07-2005 19:52									#36
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quote: Yes, some authors have mastered the ancient art of bullshitido to a great extent, but "innovativeness" needs to be there. It forms the scientific purpose of the research; to contribute to the current body of academic knowledge.

We have a couple of jokes running around the department on this, like this doctorant dude who has made a project that was impossible to achieve at the time he has made the paper. completely incidentally, his distant uncle is a professor of chemistry in another, less prosperous country, and has tens of people under his command.

academic corruption

	31-07-2005 22:38									#37
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Maybe later, it's not the best reading for a lazy sunday evening I'm afraid

	04-08-2005 01:40									#38
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bumping for provost.

	04-08-2005 01:56									#39
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It's pretty boring, the plot wanders and the characters underdeveloped. It's also a bit cliche.

	04-08-2005 01:57									#40
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Oh, erm, yeah, I'll have a flick through...it didn't look too long...

	04-08-2005 02:04									#41
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quote: It's pretty boring, the plot wanders and the characters underdeveloped. It's also a bit cliche.

CSers have absolutely no right to laugh at chemistry papers. NO RIGHT WHATSO****INGEVER, YOU HEAR ME?

	04-08-2005 02:09									#42
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CS papers are more fun.

http://grouplab.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/pa...rino-report.pdf

http://grouplab.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/pa...2005-777-08.pdf

	04-08-2005 02:17									#43
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Don't make me pull out the medicinal chemistry papers.

	04-08-2005 02:29									#44
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After a brief look at the first page... I'll echo the general statement that the paper is a bit wordy and unwieldy. Some sentences are too long. Avoiding passive voice would eliminate some of the wordiness and make the paper somewhat easier to read (not to mention that it's considered good form to avoid the passive voice and use of "to be" whenever possible).

For example, I'd rewrite the first sentence of the intro as follows (you misspelled biopharmaceutical, btw) :

The constantly increasing importance of carbohydrates, specifically oligosaccharides, in biopharmaceutical and biotechnological solutions has created a demand for new synthetic tools to manipulate them in various methods.

	04-08-2005 02:33									#45
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quote: biopharmaceutical

Strange... I thought I've written 'pharmaceutical' properly. I remember fixing it.

	04-08-2005 02:38									#46
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The spelling of 'biopharmaceutical' on page 2 (section I)is incorrect.
Good so far, pleased you have mentioned the nature of antibodies and their affinity for transition state analogues.
'unselectively' spelt incorrectly on page 2 (section III).
'essence' spelt incorrectly on page 3 (section IV). Also further 'Here we can easily one of the...' - looks like that should read 'Here we can easily see one of the'.
Spelling of 'molecule', page 3 (section V)
Spelling of 'remedies', page 3 (section VI)
Aquatic phase? Should this read aqueous phase? page 3 (section VII)
IIRC, the spelling is 'hapten' (section IX), also misspelling of 'polarised'.
I'll take your word for it on the synthesis of your hapten, that mechanism looks horrendous
Spelling is 'niche' (section XI)

Yeah, very good

	04-08-2005 02:40									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Jonny After a brief look at the first page... I'll echo the general statement that the paper is a bit wordy and unwieldy. Some sentences are too long. Avoiding passive voice would eliminate some of the wordiness and make the paper somewhat easier to read (not to mention that it's considered good form to avoid the passive voice and use of "to be" whenever possible). For example, I'd rewrite the first sentence of the intro as follows (you misspelled biopharmaceutical, btw) : The constantly increasing importance of carbohydrates, specifically oligosaccharides, in biopharmaceutical and biotechnological solutions has created a demand for new synthetic tools to manipulate them in various methods.

Ah, I don't involve myself with bollocks like the layout of the words

	04-08-2005 02:42									#48
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Passive voice

	04-08-2005 02:57									#49
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quote: I'll take your word for it on the synthesis of your hapten, that mechanism looks horrendous

Man, the only part in which your opinion actually counted....