01-08-2005 06:19									#1
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Orders from the Ministers:

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Status (from last turn)
Government currently in: Despotism
Current research: Iron Working; 46 beakers towards IW; 134 of 180 left to research; turn 11 of 31, estimated ToC turn 32 (2510BC).
Treasury: 14 gold
Cashflow: 0 gpt


Pre-Turn Actions
none

Military Orders
Military Units:

Enkidu Warrirs
Dumuzi the Shepard - move 4 (needs confermation by GK) (confirmed. --GK)
New EW in Apolyton - needs name please name her "Geshtinanna", sister of Dumuzi, demi-goddess of wine and autumn. --GK - Stay in APO or explore? I say stay in APO. But the consuls must decide this as it appears I disagree with most of the vocal people. If exploring, go in such a way as to show the river to the north for our MOI department to use in city placement strategy. --GK

Domestic Orders

Workers:
Mr. Rush Job - Road at Apo WF #6 built, worker frozen. Will move 4 next turn.
Million Dollar Worker - mining Apo WF #4 (4 turns to complete)


Settlers:
none

Cities:
Apolyton (borders expand) - Starting WF 5-11 change WF to 4-5.

Builds:
Apolyton - building Enkidu Warrior (turn 3 of 3 schedualed).

Other Domestic
Slider - If EW #2 stays in APO, slider to 0/10/0, if he explores, then NC to slider.

Diplomacy to be done
none


Any other things to be done

Last edited by Krill on 03-08-2005 at 13:30

	02-08-2005 05:04									#2
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This turn cityworker from 11 (game)to 4.

well well next turn we have the second enkidu .

I said next turn we have enkidu2 .

@the micromanangent.

Last edited by sirleif on 03-08-2005 at 17:08

	02-08-2005 10:33									#3
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This is up to MoW and Consuls (and of course, the team):

If we send out EW#2 to explore, we spend down our treasury (cash researve) to 2 gold, before IW is finished (actually, about 6 turns before).

If we keep him home and send out EW #3, then we can save 2 more gold (and we will have 4 gold, at the same time).

Granted, it's not much, and we really need to have that explorer out, but it might make a difference, in IW completeion, if we get a EW from a hut, at some time.

Also, even though the next one will be only 2 turns later, it would leave us undefended, for that time. We would likely not have any problems, but then, you never know...

E_T

	02-08-2005 13:03									#4
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I want as much scouting as possible to the East and then North and up the grain river. The sooner we see what's out there, the sooner we can finalise plans and get more team input on settlement plans.

Send enk2 out would be my vote.

	02-08-2005 15:52									#5
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enk2 - should explore than too. (next turn)
To know land and maybe find a hut (bevore it a other get) is more than the 4 gold can give us.

	02-08-2005 17:48									#6
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explore

	02-08-2005 17:59									#7
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Explore but promise that EW3 stays home...

	02-08-2005 20:57									#8
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Heck, send them all exploring. Knowing the surrounding terrain is invaluable.

	02-08-2005 21:00									#9
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Send out Enk2, but yeah, keep Enk3 home.

	03-08-2005 01:38									#10
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I lean more towards keeping Enk2 at home.

First, there is a small chance that the 2-4g saved will be necessary to discover a technology 1-2 turns earlier. Knowing the layout of the land 3 turns sooner will probably not make that much of a difference. It will take that long to just work our any trade agreements with anybody we discover in that time anyways.

second, Enk3 will be out and will show our city sites for city #2 prior to the settler being made. This is the most valuable mission of our early explorers, and regardless of wheter it is 2 or 3, it will be done in time.

third, we typically play very conservatively. Lets keep that up. Keeping #2 at home is the safe move, so lets be safe.

Against is the fact that everybody knows that we play thigns safe, so most civs will guess/know that our #2 is at home still.

	03-08-2005 05:00									#11
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quote: there is a small chance that the 2-4g saved will be necessary to discover a technology 1-2 turns earlier

2g. Enk3 comes 2 turns after Enk2. The Plan(tm) has seven gold in the bank when IW is complete. Not a crucial issue, IMO.

quote: second, Enk3 will be out and will show our city sites for city #2 prior to the settler being made. This is the most valuable mission of our early explorers, and regardless of wheter it is 2 or 3, it will be done in time.

Exploring is seldom done in time, from past experience. The earlier we know, the better we can plan.

ET and I both agree that we want the river scouted up to the North, but there is a lot of other ground to cover as well and only 12 turns to do it in between Enk3 and Settler1. Add 2 turns to that and you've increased our scouting time by ~15%. That's not insignificant, is it?

	03-08-2005 08:35									#12
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Looking at the mini map and the closeness of the tundra to the jungle, I think we are on a small or tiny map. I strongly advise keeping #2 home. This will be a rough game with this small of a map.

How long have the other teams had scouts out?

edit: Looks like they have been scouting for 6 turns now. With a tiny map, they could be real close.

	03-08-2005 08:40									#13
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NYE, the plan was modified, with the extra trade from roading Apoi WF #4 first, instead of Mining first. This netted us the ADDITIONAL trade needed to get IW 1 turn sooner. Which, kept us for getting that additional gold (at the last turn of reseach, mind you). So, we WON'T have that 7 in he bank, just 2 (and IW 1 turn sooner).

E_T

	03-08-2005 08:43									#14
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Looking at the mini map and the closeness of the tundra to the jungle, I think we are on a small or tiny map. I strongly advise keeping #2 home. This will be a rough game with this small of a map. How long have the other teams had scouts out? edit: Looks like they have been scouting for 6 turns now. With a tiny map, they could be real close.

We are on a Standard Map. This is confired via tech costs.

As to why Emporer built this map this way, is beyond me.....

E_T

	03-08-2005 08:55									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Looking at the mini map and the closeness of the tundra to the jungle, I think we are on a small or tiny map. I strongly advise keeping #2 home. This will be a rough game with this small of a map. How long have the other teams had scouts out? edit: Looks like they have been scouting for 6 turns now. With a tiny map, they could be real close.

Map size is standard.

With only 6 civs, we should expect more room than normal, not less.

	03-08-2005 08:56									#16
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quote: Originally posted by E_T NYE, the plan was modified, with the extra trade from roading Apoi WF #4 first, instead of Mining first. This netted us the ADDITIONAL trade needed to get IW 1 turn sooner. Which, kept us for getting that additional gold (at the last turn of reseach, mind you). So, we WON'T have that 7 in he bank, just 2 (and IW 1 turn sooner). E_T

I'd sooner spend two gold on a better city site for our second city than bank it.

	03-08-2005 11:21									#17
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it seems we will have enough information by the time our settler is produced.

IMO all we gain sending a scout two turns earlier is the ability to pop a hut. Everything else is less important.

- we will have the information about our second city anyway
- we will be well defended anytime
- we will use the tech reduction after meeting a civ when we have have research 80% of the tech
- as GK any trade deal may be delayed for many reasons, so the speed here is not important either

What we could loose is leaving a hut to our eventual neighbour.

	03-08-2005 11:56									#18
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Maybe the map was 'balanced' to compensate for the presence of certain resource tiles. The jungles could have been shifted to the north a bit, and the tundras to the south.

	03-08-2005 13:20									#19
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	03-08-2005 17:10									#20
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This turn cityworker from 11 (game) to 4. =>enk2 in 1turn and tile 4 give more gold.
enkidu1 -> goes 4(west)

anythingelse?

	03-08-2005 17:27									#21
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Population 40000 - 4th. (remains at 4th).
PAL likely to have produced a worker last turn.
Reasoning : Our population improved from 5th to 4th last turn, I suspected it was PAL or BAT because CBR and CDZ were at Pop 3. But this turn BAT population increases, therefore leaving PAL as the most likely candidate.
BAT (Delhi) grows to Pop 3, they are at +4 food.

Although we are at +5 Food, our Family size has gone down from 2nd to 1st. One of the team may have > +5 Food this turn! However, the Family Size F11 score is seldom analysed and its definition may not be properly understood.

GNP 7m = 3rd. (GNP +1m from last turn, position from 2nd to 3rd)
This turn order. >7, >7, 7, 7, 6, 6
Last turn order. 7, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6
We switch tile to SG, +1m but our position dropped to 3rd.

Mfg Goods 3 - 5th (Mfg - 1, position from 2nd to 5th)
This turn oder. >5, 5, 5, 4, 3, 2
Last turn order. 5, 4, 4, 4, 4, 3
We switch to SG, -1 in Mfg, position dropped to 5th. One team has Mfg at 2, probably switching tiles to maximise food/trade.

Productivity , 15 = 4th. (Productivity no change, position from 2nd to 4th)
This turn order. >15, >15, >15. 15. 14. 14
Last turn order. >15, 15, 14, 14, 14, 13
3 teams at Pop 3. We are 4th in Productivity. Makes sense.

Military Svcs - 5th, (remains at 5th)
CDZ, BAT, PAL, CBR have 2 Warriors or more.
Poly has 1 Endiku Warrior. CGN has 0 or 1 Warrior

Last edited by rush on 03-08-2005 at 17:33

	04-08-2005 05:55									#22
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	04-08-2005 06:13									#23
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Results:
Begin Turn:
None.

Actions:
Units:
E1 Dumuzi the Shepherd, moves 4

Worker Jobs:
W1 Mr. Rush Job, road complete, frozen
W2 Million Dollar Worker, mine, 3 of 6

Economy:
Work Force:
Apolyton Size 2 - WF to 4-5. 3spt, +5fpt. Grows in 2

Builds:
Apolyton - Enkidu, 3 of 3

Slider:
Slider at 0/90/10 (tax/sci/lux).
Researching Iron Working, 46 of 180, 23t, +6 to 52
Treasury: 14g
CashFlow: 0gpt

Demographics:

code:
Approval        50%, 1
Population   40,000, 4
GNP           7 mil, 3 -1
MmfGoods     3 mton, 5 -3
LandArea    2100m^2, 1
Literacy         0%, 1
Disease          0%, 1
Pollution    0 tons, 1
LifeExp    20 years, 1
FamilySz    2 child, 2 -1
MilService  5 years, 5
AnnualIncome  1/cap, 1
Productivity     15, 4 -2

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%of world area    1
%of world pop    13, -1
1 city cutlure   11, +1, Apolyton; Top rival, none
Civ culture      11, +1, Top rival, none

Images:

	04-08-2005 06:18									#24
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That hill 4-4-4 of the mountain is a very good example of why we should always move Cardinal directions (8, 6, 2, 4) if we have a choice. You get more tiles that come into view or may come into view.

	04-08-2005 08:27									#25
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Ugh, 2 more tiles of Jungle......

BUT, another river, kewl Settle a city right on that one hill and it's on the river....

E_T

	04-08-2005 13:15									#26
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we've got bonus tiles coming out of the woodwork it seems like, we've found a second river when we haven't even explored the first one yet